Featured Mystery mark on ceramic (porcelain) vase

Inherited from my mother: a blue glazed vase with putto & cornucopia. (I call it "Cupid & Cornucopia" for the alliteration.) The marker's mark appears to be initials in script: maybe "CJ E," but I am not certain. I think they are painted, rather than stamped. Separated from the other letters is a faint (stamped) "R." For "Registered Trademark"? When I google, the AI seems to be making it up. First it told me that it was the mark for Chamberlain & Co, so I looked it up in Goodin (1991 ed, pp. 838-389). Nonsense: Chamberlain operated 1786-1852, none of their marks are remotely like these, nor is the style like my vase. I tried again & AI told me it was the mark for C.J.E. Pottery Company (a manufacturer & exporter), but a google search found no such company. Tried again: AI claimed that CJE Pottery is a Studio Pottery, known for high quantity works. (Probably borrowed from CJ Pottery.) Once again, google could find nothing. Does anyone have any idea what this could be?

 

man that AI is really smart !!
it keeps you coming back to it for question after question , all the while gathering information and data.........

 

Yes, I think the AI was just constructing replies from the info in my Qs just like a carnival fortune teller. It would not be so bad IF it also provided the urls for its sources. Then the Human Intelligence could check them out. Once, when I knew the source, I could tell that the AI was just picking out words without understanding the meaning to give a totally erroneous answer.

Does anyone recognize this mark? Or anything about the style/age of the vase? I think it is vintage--but is that 1950s or earlier?

 

I don't know it but the third symbol sort of looks like a 5 to me.

 

The marks I found for Coventry don't really look like yours but the mold shape on this is similar.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/pair-coventry-pottery-cornucopia-cherub-planter

 

Wow. That is a perfect comparison, say it slowly. They look like the same mold with different glazing/decorating. Further down on the Worthington page is a Coventry cherub & snail planter with the translucent, monochromatic glaze like that in my vase--except it is blue-green. Searching ebay & etsy, I found a lot of the Coventry cherub & snail planters with both types of glazes. Plus two in the monochromatic glaze that did NOT have the Coventry mark. One seller showed a blank bottom, with what is possibly an embossed "c." The other did not mention a mark & did not show the bottom--so I assumed it was blank.

So did Coventry allow their molds to be reproduced/ used by other firms or individuals? Or did the mysterious CJE (?) make a mold from a Coventry vase & glaze it? But then why would s/he mimic a Coventry technique? I doubt the vases were so valuable that forgeries occurred--and forgers do not leave their initials. It is a puzzlement!

In any case, this gives me enough information to market it--Coventry mold with mysterious mark. And my dating estimate seems to be confirmed by Coventry history: 1940s or '50s. You have really helped me.

 

This is a little on Coventry from Lehner's Encyclopedia of US Marks if it helps at all.





This was at the top of the next column on the page without a number like the other marks but must be the "No 5" mark mentioned.

 

You don't suppose it once was stamped COVENTRY do you? Kind of like this?

 

"AI" very specifically does not provide sources because all the AI companies are being sued for stealing copyrighted data (websites are included in copyright). They've been asked repeatedly about their sources and never admit them because that would be proof of their theft and liability to those owners.

Also consider, if providing sources, then these companies can no longer pretend this is some sort of new "thinking" tech that offers you more than a search engine already does. And if that's the case, how can they convince companies (and us) to pay lavishly for it?

It's a random regurgitation machine. Part of the enshittification of the Internet and apps. A scheme to steal worker labor and copyright and funnel that money up to the billionaire class. If that wasn't enough--it also doesn't work!

 

Mirana--This is so true!

 

Random comment about citing urls: I believe in citing sources, including the website where I found dating information. But if you include an url in your ebay listing, their AI thinks you are trying to sell outside ebay and will not post it. I finally figured that I could cite without the url. Ex: "See royalalbertpatterns website" without ".com".

 

That's a thought! The R fits in beautifully with your reconstruction, and even looks like the serif-R in some of the Coventry marks you supplied. The other letters look like script but that may just be partial wear.

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this!

 

My family lived in NE Ohio in the 1940s & 1950s (and before) so the location of the Coventry factory fits. I also have/had Weller, Houghton, and Roseville vases (Ohio). I think some of my (distant) relatives worked in a pottery (Sebring?)--vague childhood (1950s) memory of being told that.

 

Back in the old days, when you typed your essays for your prof, woe betide you if you didn't footnote and add a bibliography. If someone besides you said it or wrote it, you had to cite sources. I deplore AI, but it has been disseminated now throughout the internet. Sigh.

 

Nowadays teachers use AI-powered apps to run their students work through, to identify whether they used AI or not. Crap software trying to ID other crap software! They basically look at use of "advanced" words and sentence structure, so....it absolutely isn't a way to tell for sure. I have a family member who went back to school as an adult and was accused of using AI to write her essays. She's extremely well read and written, and wrote the paper on a niche subject she likes. She had to explain to the prof her entire background before they relented. I think being an online class, the prof didn't realize her above-average age plus hadn't spoken to her to know she uses "big" words!

 

Oh boy. When people are suspicious of someone with a good vocabulary! Brave New World indeed!