Mystery watch - which end of the 19th century and wheredunnit?

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by evelyb30, Apr 5, 2020.

  1. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    This wasn't a high end watch. The case is steel and brass, but I like the crystal. I popped the back dust lid, possibly for the first time in the life of the watch. It just says Swiss Made but does have some jeweling. No names. The balance wheel still moves freely but the minute hand is bent around the second hand dial so I wouldn't try winding it.

    This came in a lot of stuff from the UK a long while ago. It doesn't have a mark to bless itself with. It feels older rather than newer, but where was the case done?
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  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    According to online sources Patek Philippe introduced the "keyless works" in 1841. Won't be earlier than that.

    @afantiques
     
  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    According to the internet... "The term Swiss Made has been around since the late 19th century..."

    Debora
     
  4. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    So late 19th to early 20th then, most likely. I was hoping for earlier, but oh well.
     
  5. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

    No expert but I would be reluctant to describe it as late 19th. More like 1920s-40s to me based on the ones I have handled.
     
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  6. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    I know ZIP, but couldn't twist my head around that far, and like the scrolling along with Swiss Made!!!

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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    At any rate, I have a feeling it's actually watch parts rather than a watch at this point. Steel mechanisms usually aren't worth a lot from what little I know.
     
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  8. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Looks like a fairly standard mid-range pocketwatch, early 20th century. There doesn't seem to be anything too remarkable about it.
     
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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Looks typically 1920s or 30s to me. Not much value I'm afraid.
     
  10. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    My Dad said these were known as poor mans pocket watches sold by Woolworths in the UK, they were unbranded and cost 5 Shillings late 30's early 40's.
     
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  11. Vee

    Vee Member

    And you can pick them up for less than £5 now
     
  12. lizjewel

    lizjewel Active Member

    I think it's Russian. May have come in from the East Bloc with a refugee following WW II. I can't translate the stamp but it looks Cyrillic to me. Perhaps someone knows Russian?
     
  13. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    That is not Russian it is marked AIIIIR
    Advance and Retard the I's inbetween the A&R are the markers.
    It was bought from the UK.
     
  14. lizjewel

    lizjewel Active Member

    That makes sense. It's likely a Woolworth Special then. Like the ubiquotous TIMEX used to be in the U.S.
     
  15. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The expert has spoken; your dad probably bought one. Not worth a ton, but I still like the case. It's got "steampunk me" written all over it. Take the guts out to make jewelry and make a miniature frame out of the case.
     
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  16. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    My Dad said these were known as poor mans pocket watches sold by Woolworths in the UK, they were unbranded and cost 5 Shillings late 30's early 40's.

    Your dad is wrong. What he is referring to is what was and is generally referred to as a 'dollar watch' and a search on that term will give all the detail you might need.
    This is a much better quality watch that probably cost a couple of quid in the early 20th.C.

    It is a 15 jewel Swiss clubfoot lever movement in a basic case, stem wound and set. Sorting out the hand-clash would take a competent person about a minute and there is a good chance the watch is still working.
    Typically sells for about £25 to £30 nowadays. In non pandemic times anyway.
     
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  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Thanks AF. Apparently even Davey's dad isn't infallible. I still think this would be a good candidate for steampunking if it doesn't work. If it's repairable I can see a steampunk fan wearing it as is.
     
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