Nails from a painting age

Have a painting but like to find out when the nails used on the canvas are made ? So age from this kind off nails ? Anybody any idea ? Thanks

 

Nail or tack?

Debora

 

Take a picture of the full back of the painting. The nails don't look too old but could of been replaced by newer ones

 

Is any part of the nail/tack magnetic? Is there another piece of metal inside the shank/point? It looks like it is jacketed, like the shank is covered with another thin piece of metal.

Using "jacketed tack nail" as a search term, I found a 1952 patent for something that sounds like it might be what you have:
"continuous wire stock of rigid metal that is enveloped in a substantial relatively thick jacket of non-corrosive metal and the cutting of this jacketed wire stock at spaced points to form nail sections, and the forming of the penetrating point, shank and head of each fastening device without any loss or waste of the core metal or of the jacket metal so that the complete fastening device is completely jacketed with non-corrosive metal without the necessity of subjecting it to any further plating or coating operation."
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2718647

 

Replaced could be a thing that's been done . The painting should be from the 1920/30 area . And will look in to the patents link to see if I can find something similar in nails like mine

 

Nails are not the best way to date a painting. Can we see the whole thing, front, back and sides?

 

Yes, please.

Debora

 

Here's the painting

 

And the site

 

Nice painting, but I have no idea what it is doing in a religious frame.
'Gloria tibi Domine' means glory to you (or thee) Lord.

 

What does the sticker say? And the grease pencil marks?

Debora

 

Interesting, the sides have nails but the back has staples. I have no idea what that means but I thought nails were used on older canvas and staples on newer. BWDIK!

Looks like someone reused a frame without thought to what the frame says.

 

It does not appear to be a professional artist's work.
The frame has been reused and is not original to the painting, as evidenced by the spacing blocks used to make it fit.
The stretcher appears to be commercially made, and might be datable by someone who recognizes the distinctive shape of the keys.
No idea why you would have tacks on the side of the canvas, but staples used to secure it on the back of the stretcher. According to Christie's, staples began to replace nails after the 1940s.
https://www.christies.com/features/8-things-you-can-learn-from-the-back-of-a-painting-10293-1.aspx

 

All sorts of writing and a sticker on back, close-ups of which haven't been shared with us. May answer some questions.

Debora

 

The writing on the back is a sticker from the auction house from the auction in 1995 and the name off the painter is put down in pencil marks . The painting is signed H.Kruijder what was a Dutch painter who lived until 1935 . So I also think the painting has been re framed to this stretcher . So to have more proof about authenticity off this painting I need all the info about the stretcher and the used nails and maybe the frame . It was sold in 1995 as copy from this painter when mounted in this frame with this stretcher. But I think it's more to be a real painting by him so i need all the information that there's to find and more info on the stretcher and frame so when and where made could give some more links to it .

 

Ah, that's helpful information.

Debora

 

Do you mean Herman Kruyder?

 

Yes

 

While Kruyder's style changed over his career, your painting does not look like his work, in my opinion. I think the staples would date it later than his time as well.

If it was sold as a "copy" that would indicate that there is a known work somewhere that it was a copy of, but I have not found one. Perhaps they meant "in the style of".

Pre-1916, oil on panel

https://www.simonis-buunk.com/artwo...ing-a-still-life-with-a-satsuma-statue/18559/

ca. 1931, oil on canvas

https://www.simonis-buunk.com/artwork/herman-kruyder-painting-a-still-life-with-flowers/18879/

1932, oil on artists' board:


https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...r-1881-baarn-1935-amsterdam-6214-c-0394601b88

Undated, gouache on paper:

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/still-life-with-geranium-by-herman-kruyder-99-c-12b47bab46

 

I think that he changed his style and way off painting many times and see also similarities on these two paintings where the flower is part off my painting . Second thought is that mine is made before 1995 when came to auction and the value off this painter was not high enough then to make in the style or as a forgery (it's autograph'th H.Kruijder .