Need help to value a book

Discussion in 'Books' started by Mikhail123, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Mikhail123

    Mikhail123 New Member

    IMG-20191028-WA0026.jpg IMG-20191028-WA0025.jpg IMG-20191028-WA0025.jpg IMG-20191028-WA0008.jpg IMG-20191028-WA0007.jpg Hello everybody. I was offered this book as lifetime issue of Erasmus work. It is only first volume. Size is folio, no library stamps or previous owners signs, only some remarks in text, very old ones.
    What it could worth? Seller doesn't now real price and asking huge amount of money for it.
     
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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    ,,,
    Some sort of facsimile reprint. No way is this from 1530.
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    damage...foxing....tell seller no thank you !!;);):wideyed::wideyed:
     
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  4. Joe2007

    Joe2007 Collector

    The binding looks late 19th century and I'd be hesitant to think that the leafs would be much older then that without substantial evidence. Hopefully a person knowledgeable in books will share their opinion since that is NOT me.
     
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  5. Mikhail123

    Mikhail123 New Member

    Sorry, not all pics. I am not sure it is facsimile. It is very old paper with watermarks. IMG-20191028-WA0015.jpg
     
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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

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  8. Mikhail123

    Mikhail123 New Member

    I totally agree. Also leaves were cut.
     
  9. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    This looks like a late 17th or early 18thc book.
     
  10. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The text block (pages) looks perfectly consistent with the 1530 date, but the boards (cover) look 17th-18th century, and the rebacked spine is done in a 19th-early 20th century style. The anachronistic binding will not contribute to the value of the book. It would have been better if the last binder had done the whole volume in a consistent style or, better yet, in period appropriate vellum.
     
  11. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

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    the house where it was printed looks better than the binding.:)
     
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  12. McAdder

    McAdder Well-Known Member

    I own a couple of books that old, I dont see any reason to think that this is a reprint.
    Yes it was rebacked at some point, and the binding is later than the book, I think 2manybooks is spot on.
    The damage and the new back is hurting the value a lot, also that its only a first volume. Most books in the 16th century and before were printed in Latin, a language very few peple can read today, so Latin books are cheaper than others.
    The book Debora found is not comparable. Around 1550 the number of books printed soared, making books printed before much rarer. (I think the price is high, as are most prices on Abebooks and other sites listing offers by professional booksellers.)

    However I doubt the book was written by Erasmus, if I read correctly it was written by Johannes? Huser about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom, whereas the book by Erasmus https://archive.thulb.uni-jena.de/korax/receive/Korax_cbu_00002533?lang=en is about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

    If you want the book for its age and dont care about the condition and content, you should buy it (with the beautiful but quite common initials) for maybe 200-400 Euro.

    Erasmus wrote many books, and they were succsessful, so they are not hard to find today, even ones printed during his lifetime.
     
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  13. Mikhail123

    Mikhail123 New Member

    Thanks a lot!!!
     
  14. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Basileae, in officina frobeniana per ...Hieronymum Frobenium...

    let's switch to German, it's easier for further research.
    - Johannes Herwagen, born around 1497, became citizen of Basel 1528
    - Hieronymus Froben, born 1501, eldest son of Johann Froben ( now there the dollar would roll...:hilarious:)
    - Nikolaus Episcopus, a printer born 1501 in Alsatia

    they succeeded Johann Froben as printers/editors; since then the "officina" was added.

    it is the complete index of the sayings of the divine Johannes
    Chrysostomos put together by Johann Huser

    now there's where it starts to become interesting. Huser was a doctor and only born in 1545 and an avid collector of Paracelsus manuscripts; so I suspect it must be another Huser (not a really rare name in those days)
     
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  15. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    OK, I'll jump on. This describes some volumes from the set of 1530. Chrysostom is listed as author. Under Added Author it says: Edited and translated, in part, by Erasmus.

    Oops: https://library.nysoclib.org/search/o221347559
     
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  16. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    died AD 407 and wrote a book AD 1530. wow, New York... I hope for a Woody Allen movie.:)
    do they also have pics ?
     
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    Bronwen Well-Known Member

  18. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I think those references are automatically generated. poor students filling in the names in the form and bingo.
    another thought - maybe the one we have here is an added index of the other five volumes to make it easier finding text passages.
     
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  19. shallow_ocean_spectre

    shallow_ocean_spectre fine.books' bumping squirrel

    The Index is typically bound with Volume I, as is the case here. The collation of Volume I is: A⁶ B⁴ a-l⁶ m⁸ n-z⁶ A-2C⁶; Volume 4: a*-z*⁶ A*-2F*⁶ 2G*⁸. The Index is signed: a-g⁶. This is one of five volumes.

    Erasmus is, indeed, the editor. Amusingly, it was the elder Froben's press which published the first bibliography of Erasmus' writings: 29 March, 1519.
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  20. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Welcome back --
     
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