Featured NETSUKE ARTIST & AGE IDENTIFICATION REQUEST!.

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by HMAC, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. HMAC

    HMAC Member

    Thank You,

    HMAC j3.jpg j2.jpg j2.jpg j2.jpg j3.jpg j2.jpg j3.jpg j3.jpg
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2018
    kyratango, judy and Christmasjoy like this.
  2. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Looks like it could be ivory,need photo of the bottom of the piece.You can go to edit and remove duplicate photos.
     
    judy, Christmasjoy and Bronwen like this.
  3. Cris Drugan ISA-AM

    Cris Drugan ISA-AM Active Member

    Not old, 20th century, no wear, these rubbed against the robe and sash. No wear to the cord holes. If it really is that yellow and not just the lighting, it is tea stained.
     
  4. HMAC

    HMAC Member

    HERE IS THE BOTTOM.



    THANKS!.... j1.jpg
     
  5. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    It's ivory,it is also signed but unless you can identify the carver there is no way of finding out the age of the piece.
     
  6. HMAC

    HMAC Member

    Thank You, Sir.....
     
    kyratango, judy and Christmasjoy like this.
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I agree. And it is ivory. Charming subject, but not a top piece.
    The signature (upside down;)) is not in the online lists I checked. Given the quality of the carving it won't be in netsuke books like Raymond Bushell's either.
     
    kyratango, judy and Christmasjoy like this.
  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The more I look, the more I feel unsettled by this. It's trying too hard. Seemingly Schreger lines everywhere you look; a riot of shades of yellow - brown. It may just be the way it is painted/patinated, but looks to me like it could be several separate pieces. @HMAC what are the measurements?
     
    judy, Any Jewelry and Christmasjoy like this.
  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Do you mean the writing box separate from the scribe? I see what you mean by the schreger lines riot. And they are more defined by the staining.
     
    kyratango, judy and Bronwen like this.
  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The body of the man & writing box look like separate pieces to me. The scroll could be another piece, as could the right arm. The way all those creases have been darkened makes me feel it's to hide joins. And have never handled an ivory piece that had such conspicuous Schreger lines over such large areas. Maybe I would perceive it differently if I had it in hand; with only the posted pix, I have major doubts.
     
    Any Jewelry likes this.
  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    This just looks very wrong to me for carved ivory:

    upload_2018-11-29_4-49-42.png
     
    judy likes this.
  12. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Mammoth ivory
     
    judy and Bronwen like this.
  13. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    kyratango and judy like this.
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The angle is too wide for mammoth ivory imo. It looks like elephant ivory.
     
    judy and Bronwen like this.
  15. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    You can tell by the holes (himotoshi) that this isn't old or functional. One should be noticeably larger than the other. The smaller hole was adequate to thread the cord, the larger big enough to hide the knot at the end of the cord. Also, the holes should be situated so that, when worn, the figure displays upright. This one would be laying on its back.

    https://www.jncohen.net/Japanese-Netsuke/Cordhole.htm
     
  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The holes are not always a different size. This is the back of one of my authenticated antique ones. It does have wear in and around the holes, but no size difference.
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2018
  17. Cris Drugan ISA-AM

    Cris Drugan ISA-AM Active Member

    Full image of the bottom the cross-hatching looks carved and even more likely tea stained. Maybe Tagua nut.
     
    judy and Bronwen like this.
  18. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    How would you get the Schreger effect with tagua nut? Otherwise I could see it.
     
    judy and aaroncab like this.
  19. Cris Drugan ISA-AM

    Cris Drugan ISA-AM Active Member

    Carve it right in to the surface then tea stain it for shadowing.
     
    judy and Bronwen like this.
  20. Lecollectionneur

    Lecollectionneur Well-Known Member

    It exist a near perfect imitation made in France with resin, not this item, just for info.
    Totally out of subject but I have to say that for my personal peace.
    This item is just what irritate me with the use of ivory for faking, I don't accept the use of protected material to make things which can open a market, despite this is made with old ivory, repairing interesting culturally and historically items with old ivory is another way.
    You know than illegal trade of protected species/parts/material or living animals make actually between 15 and 20 billion € through the world, this use is a part of this trade, this is my personal opinion, if that's a problem for the forum, I take that post away immediately.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted
Similar Threads: NETSUKE ARTIST
Forum Title Date
Antique Discussion Netsuke identification please multiple pieces Saturday at 3:36 PM
Antique Discussion Netsuke? Jan 18, 2024
Antique Discussion Netsuke Nov 17, 2023
Antique Discussion Netsuke in ivory necklace- lots of questions!!! Oct 26, 2023
Antique Discussion Netsuke: Wooden 5-Mushroom Cluster, Signed Sep 4, 2023

Share This Page