Old plate white and blue with golden decorations

Hello,

i would like to id and date this old plate white and blue with golden decorations

diameter is cm 23,3

On the back, in the middle, I think I see a logo, an image, it would look like a profile of a person, facing right, but it is very confusing, I could not say more.

I took pictures with flash and without flash, for a better attribution of hue and colors

thank you all for the answers

Gianluca

 

@Mat @Asian Fever @Any Jewelry @i need help @2manybooks @patd8643 @gregsglass and other friends, you're all very welcome

 

Gianluca, could you take a photo of the mark in daylight? Maybe it brings it out more.
Like in your other thread, not everyone you tagged knows much about antique European ceramics, but those that do, will be along. You posted this one in the right forum too.

 

Hello @Any Jewelry !
thanks for your reply, you're so right, i took photos with daylight and now it seems to see 2 letters, W and A ... and a profile, but maybe it's only my imagination, it's really little and bleard .
I hope that it could be possible to id and date it .
Thanks for your support

Gianluca

 

To me it looks like a bit of glaze that got sanded.

 

It does not look like an intentional mark, but seems to be just an artifact of the production process - a contact point during the glazing or firing process.
I cannot be any help in identifying the decoration or origin, though the brush work does look Asian.

 

thanks, by your point of view is it possible to date it ? Circa, the century xix or xx and the nation, Japan, China, etc. ?

 

"... though the brush work does look Asian ..."

So i think that it could be nice also to know the point of view of

@Mat and @Asian Fever

Thanks

 

To me, it looks like european porcelain

 

Thanks @Asian Fever



i start to think that i will never understand the provenance and the age

 

Yes, there are, it's not the lighting

 

I was thinking that I have also other plates like this and also a big tray related...
If I take some photos,
Do you think that those can help more ?

 

Ok when I'll come back home I'll take photos and I'll send here Thanks

 

Hello !

I have an interesting update.
As I told you, I have other plates like this, and also a matching tray.
Taking pictures, I found that on the back of the tray (see the pictures please) there are letters and numbers, an acronym, clearly read "CFH", then the number 12, and also a letter "a" cursive.
Pottery also has some rust, if I had to make a comparison with my numismatic knowledge, based on oxidation, I could place the plate and the tray at the end of the nineteenth century, but obviously I rely on your esteemed opinions to identify and date these elements.

Thanks

Tray is cm 33,3 x cm 23,3

 

Ahhhh Haviland... Maybe C2 mark 1876 .. Ok thanks a lot for the info I'll wait for confirmation .