Origin of glass beads, trade beads, and age please.

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  1. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Can anyone tell me where the beads on this necklace were made?
    It is an Indo-Persian style prayer box/amulet box necklace from Pakistan or NW India.
    The brass prayer box is 19th century. The beads are probably 20th century?
    I don't know the exact age or origin of the beads, but they are handmade. Bohemia/Czechoslovakia? India? I don't think Venice, but what do I know.
    The long beads are ca 12mm long, the lengths vary a little.

    Thank you for looking.
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    Just in case you were wondering, this is how the box opens.:) It has the same decoration on the back.
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    Last edited: Aug 5, 2018
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  2. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    It’s very nice Any Jewlery! What type of bead is this called?
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Hunting.
    I have no idea, that's why I asked.:) I suppose you could call it a pipe bead?
     
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  4. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I had already been through those, and came up with nothing. But my searching skills are not like yours, and my ADD plays havoc with any skills I may have.:(
     
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  6. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    I will keep looking, maybe someone will “pop in” and join the search, just from what I’ve seen today, they do look Czechish.
     
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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I was going to say something other than Italian. Czech is a good possibility.
     
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  8. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    303C51EC-6534-4BED-AF2D-E7AD21CC29DD.jpeg Just trying to figure this out from a different angle, I think the amulet has similar elements in those from Rajasthan, flowers and birds.
    I could be way off base, but will give that a try, to narrow down the beads.
     
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  9. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Personally, not really seeing the quality or consistency I'd expect on Czech or any other European beads, or even Japanese - they look more like Indian lampwork beads to me, they were producing them in Czech and Venetian styles in the 1940s and later (I'd probably call them tube beads)...

    ~Cheryl
     
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  10. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    If the beads still have clay in the bead holes, Indian is most likely combined with those bubbles. If no clay, dunno. The Indians generally don't ream them out all the way.
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks Hunting. Don't worry about the case, I've got that covered.:)
    The style is related to Persian Kerman designs. Kerman has a significant Pakistani/Indian population, and the style has traveled to their home regions.
    This particular case was worn by nomadic Gypsies who traveled the entire area, so I spoke of the region in pretty general terms. The origin of the case and the origin of the beads are different.
    The beads are trade beads, not Kerman related or Gypsy made. I've never seen these particular beads on a case like this, so I was just wondering where the trade route started, which is useful when describing the entire necklace.
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks Cheryl, it is good to know a bit of the history of production. The beads have an early to mid century feel, and I was thinking that the Indians could have been copying Czech styles at the time.
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks.:)
    No clay in the bead holes. I gave them a good long soak in soapy water, but inspected them first for damage, etc. There was no clay in the holes before the soak, and the water did not colour the way you would expect from clay residue.

    I guess it is still a question mark, but narrowed down slightly. Lampwork beads, could be Indian copies of European, there is a slight possibility they are Czech.
     
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  14. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Have you found any this shape?
     
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  15. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    The beads are uneven, widely varying in both length and width, some blunt at the ends, others tapering, sometimes only at one end - just wouldn't be typical of Czech (or German or Austrian) beads. Believe they are most likely mid 20th century Indian, even the seed beads look Indian to me...

    Here are three different colors at Fire Mountain Gems, noted as 'vintage', enlarging on the images will show that they are clear of clay residue:

    https://www.firemountaingems.com/search/?keywords=india+capsule

    Another seller, another color, also described as 'vintage', also no clay residue:

    https://www.etsystudio.com/listing/495573368/vintage-yellow-oval-india-glass-pill?ref=sr_gallery-1-1

    ~Cheryl
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, those are the ones, I am pretty sure of it. Thanks, Cheryl, Indian lampwork it is.
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I hadn't, but Cheryl just has.:happy:
     
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