Pewter plate ID

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by Tez, Oct 17, 2020 at 8:56 PM.

  1. Tez

    Tez New Member

    New member.
    Hey all. I work at a recycling store and this tray or plate was donated.
    I have done as much research as i can in relation to its history.
    Judging by the touchmarks on the base its either french, swedish or italian and possibly early to mid 19th century....but im not sure.
    Its 28 cm in diameter, 1.4kg in weight, very shallow rim n depth. I need to know how to price it before it can be put on the shelf as an antique is it valuable.
     

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  2. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Torino is Italian, no?
     
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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    It is - Turin. The "D'Angleterre" part (can't tell what is before that) should mean something like "of England" but I can't tell is it's referring to a person or something else.

    The Italian word for pewter is peltro. Do you see that anywhere?
     
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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The Wayback Archive is offline, but I'll see if I can find anything there tomorrow.
     
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  5. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    3F494808-310D-44BD-B400-26B4AEF22119.jpeg It says Fin on top
     
  6. Tez

    Tez New Member

    So ive researched as much as i can. The word at the top is FIN, french for end. The wording around the logo is ETAIN D ANGELETERE, french for tin or pewter of england. The logo is represents the symbol of st john the baptist according to the pewter society of the uk. The word TORINO now turin. And finally the word at the bottom could be MAZZETTI OR NAZZETTI. I can definately make out zzetti.
     
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  7. Tez

    Tez New Member

    Thankyou
    No. Its odd french wording but the place torino appears
     
  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Good job Tez!
     
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  9. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    basically, fine old english pewter
     
  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    in this case Fin...meaning Fine...
     
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  11. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    ├ętain fin d'angleterre or Englisch Zinn in German were quality marks that followed the rules of the guilds at a certain timespan - normally one part of led to 10 parts of tin.
    the often seen angel mark is a misunderstanding, because Engel is angel in German but shows Justitia.
    nobody spoke English on the continent till post-WWI and Northern Italy was always under French influence and rule till the unification and founding of a national state.
    for me those double marks have no meaning and are made up to show an age that the items never have.
    there are of course many internet specialists that think it makes sense to stamp twice...
     
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  12. Tez

    Tez New Member

    I
    Dont really understand what u mean. Actually has 3 stamps couldnt get all 3 in the pic
     
  13. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    and it's of course my fault that you didn't get them all in one pic ?
    what a sweetheart.:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    @Tez As promised, I looked at the marks site we have attached here, but could not find anything on "Mazzetti" or "Nazzetti" or even marks for the city of Turin there. The rundown of what you had elsewhere may be the best you are going to find. Sorry we could not do better.
     
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  15. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    it's you that can do no better, because you obviously know nothing about the history of European pewter.
     
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