Featured Russian silverware

Discussion in 'Silver' started by chalkway9, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. chalkway9

    chalkway9 New Member

    Lettering.jpg RIM 2.jpg RIM 3.jpg RIM 4.jpg whole bowl.jpg Hallmark 1.jpg Can anyone assist? I have a silver salt by Gustav Sohlman (I believe). I am trying to translate the enamel inscription around the side. Pictures h/w. Any thoughts too, concerning the heraldic motive?
    Many thanks
     
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  2. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    There are quite a few Russian heraldic symbols on this link:

    Russian heraldic motiffs - Bing images

    If you click on the text next to the picture it will take you to a full of them page on Pinterest.
     
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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Aren't those letters in the Cyrillic alphabet? We need a Russian language translator.

    @Figtree3 @Natasha
     
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  4. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I believe that is an older script than I am familiar with. Church Slavonic? Not sure. @April07 may know. You already tagged @Natasha , and there are others. And thanks for the tag!
     
  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Thanks for adding April07 Fig! . I knew there was another person but couldn't remember.
     
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  6. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    It's prereform Russian, stylized as older scrypt.
    Без хлеба, без соли - половина обеда.
    Without bread, without salt - half of the lunch
     
  7. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Attention @chalkway9 A translation has been provided!
     
  8. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    Very well done! :)
     
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  9. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Thank you! Now I know that if I had looked at it more carefully I might have figured it out. I just saw the style and didn't really try to make out the letters. You will always be faster at it than I, anyway. :)
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Beautiful, chalkway.
    Would this have been used in a welcome ceremony, with the bread and salt reference?
     
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  11. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    The "bread and salt" tradition is a means of hospitality due to the bread being the most respected food in Russia and the salt means long friendship. It is associated to a Russian saying “to eat a food of salt (together with someone)”. Historically, the Russian Empire had a high salt tax.
    A "salt" is often placed into the centre of a loaf of bread. It is a Russian tradition still used today at wedding ceremonies for example.
     
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    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That is exactly why I asked April, because I know of the bread and salt welcoming ceremony, since I have experienced it myself as a child.
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    @ritzyvintage , when you quote a text, could you please post the link or at least mention the source? That way you give credit to the person who really wrote it, and others can research it for themselves if they want to.

    There have been several threads where the subject of correct quoting was brought up before, but that was before you joined, so I don't expect you to have read them.
    It is common practice to quote correctly though.
    I know many on the www present texts as their own, but here we would rather do the right thing. Especially since quite a few of us have had our texts or images 'stolen', and know how it feels.
     
  15. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    I guess that "bread" is a tradition/symbolic in many countries. "Give us today our daily bread..." for example. Salt, has also been a major/valuable commodity through the centuries, particularly in Eastern Europe.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    True.
     
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  17. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    Some of my text is my own, gained over many years of research. I expect that some of yours is too. I'm also very aware of having photo's etc. stolen. I mentioned it when I first joined and have subsequently watermarked my images. The information that I provide gives food for thought and allows others to do their own specific research should they want to, however you will also note that I do in fact add links as and when I consider them to be useful.
     
  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I was called away and forgot to add:
    Give us today our daily bread can also be seen as having a metaphysical meaning. Not the actual bread, but the spiritual bread, Christ, as symbolized by the holy communion.
    In short, a sacred blessing today and throughout our lives.
     
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  19. Branka

    Branka Well-Known Member

    Btw, this has the same spelling and meaning and on Serbian language.
     
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  20. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    That's an old Russian proverb. Another version is "Without bread, without salt - half of conversation." It surely refers to the idea of hospitality but also to bread and salt as basic products in Russian cuisine. I don't think this salt bowl was intended to be used on the top of a welcome bread, it's rather designed to resemble folk style.
     
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