SHIRLEY TEMPLE(?) DOLL w/NO MARKINGS WORTH BUYING?

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  1. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    This was put out today at a local thrift store I go to everyday. It may not even be there tomorrow but I wanted to check here in case it is - is it worth buying for $29.99?
    I believe it's Shirley Temple but it has NO markings anywhere that I could find (back of head & neck, shoulders, lower back) - does anyone recognize it or is it a copy?
    Is it valuable?
    PS - I know there's just the one photo, I apologize; my phone was full & that's all it would let me take!
    PSS - Eyes stay open - they doesn't close/move
    Thanks guys

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  2. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    She's pretty!

    All official Shirley's were made by Ideal and are marked as such. Others are considered wannabees.

    I can't tell if she is vinyl or bisque....but I guess it doesn't actually matter.

    Originals were compo.

    Check out completed Shirley's on ebay to get an idea of what's available.
     
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  3. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    I do know the real ST composition dolls by IDEAL had the info embossed on the back. Usually "SHIRLEY TEMPLE" and the size (height) of the doll. There were alot of knock offs made also.

    Oooops, sorry Judy - I guess you posted just before me - LOL!
     
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  4. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    The more the merrier!!:cat:
     
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  5. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

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    I have my mother's ST doll & this looks more like it than many others I've seen, except for those rouged knees. Strikes me as a knock off, but an earlier, better knock off than later ones. Would like to see her undies.
     
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  6. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Unless it's marked Ideal on the back, it's not the real deal.

    Ideal did make later Shirleys of vinyl.
     
  7. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    I have an early compo one myself.

    She is not in the best of condition. She does wear her original dress though.

    At one time I could've gotten quite a bit for her.....now not so much, but how much I don't know. I haven't checked them out lately.

    I also have the 36" that I paid $200 for.....I'd be lucky to get $50 today.

    She is vinyl.
     
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  8. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  9. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

  10. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    She is bisque? (not vinyl)
     
  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    From the $2,200 realized, I'd say bidders thought she was the real Ideal deal.
     
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  12. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    No, not if they were knowledgeable collectors. And it's very plainly stated that it's a lookalike.

    The doll Journey is concerned about looks just like Shirley Temple. To some people, they wouldn't care if it was by Ideal or not. They would buy it for who she is.

    But a true collector knows the difference.
     
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  13. judy

    judy Well-Known Member


    I thought she could be bisque, but it's difficult to tell by the photo. It really doesn't matter though.

    She is a very pretty doll.

    But, you would be buying for resale, so I say check out the completeds on eBay.

    I myself would NOT buy her....especially for resale.
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Are you asking about the one in the auction, which is 'composition'?

    Mine is composition, wearing the Stand Up & Cheer dress. I also have a red wool matching hat & coat set for her I think were home made.
     
  15. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    I'd love to see a picture of her if you should ever get the chance.

    Look to see if she is marked on the back of her neck or upper body.
     
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  16. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    I believe Journey was stating that the doll of his interest is bisque, as I said in my first post it was difficult to tell bisque vs vinyl from the photo.
     
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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    It's confusing: human hair & lashes; sleep eyes; composition; 15 inches; 1935; no explicit statement that it is not marked Ideal. The $2,200 certainly put the + on their estimate of $300+. It differs from the one I have in having only 2 teeth; mine has a smile-ful. At least 2 bidders saw something in it that was different from auction house assessment. Maybe it's this younger 2-teeth version that is special. Shirley was already in little films before she was 5.
     
  18. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    The doll was purchased on its own merit. It's beautiful, dressed well and the compo appears to be very nice. The plus is that she resembles Shirley Temple.

    The other plus is that it was sold at Theriault's. I looked to see if there was a date of the auction, but could not find one......important data.

    If this auction was several years ago, compos of this quality commanded a great price. And people do get caught up in auctions.

    I don't believe the number of teeth bears any importance.

    You can easily tell if your doll is an Ideal or not, by looking. Perhaps she is not handy to take a look at the moment.

    I know mine is not. (handy)
     
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  19. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Nor mine. She is on a stand in her own display case atop the display cabinet. I have never undressed her. My mother told me that, as a girl, she envied Shirley for her ability to cry at will. I also have a much read book she had, Shirley Temple's Favorite Poems, copyright 1936. I see there are still lots of copies out there, but it's sweet to have it with the doll.
     
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  20. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Good night all!
     
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