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Silver enamel vesta - authentic or modified?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Wolfrott, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. Wolfrott

    Wolfrott New Member

    I bought an antique (hallmarked) sterling silver vesta with an enamel cat sailor, from an eBay store.

    A week later the owner's stocked another vesta (incorrectly marking albo silver as sterling but I digress) with the same enamel art. I've noticed they're selling other antique accessories in silver & other materials, with duplicate enamel art.

    Are these real antiques, modern repros/fakes, or was the art added?

    Here's my vesta, versus it's twin.

    Terrier enamel vs Terrier enamel silver examples
     

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  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    When I first saw it, before reading your post. I thought that vesta looked strange.

    There are wholesale jewelry companies that sell porcelain discs for jewelry making. It is possible they have bought those and attached them to old vestas.

    I am not saying that is what they have done, only that it is possible.

    @Shangas
    Have you seen this in your searches?
     
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  3. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    I've seen a lot of silver vesta-cases in my time ('vestas' are the matches that go inside them), and many were heavily decorated or engraved etc. But I haven't seen too many like this.

    The hallmarks are what they are. I doubt those would be fakes. And I doubt that there would be anything to be gained by sticking those pictures on the sides.
     
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  4. Wolfrott

    Wolfrott New Member

    My concern is that I was duped into buying an antique that had been modified & made appealling with a fake, modern addition.
     
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  5. Wolfrott

    Wolfrott New Member

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  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I was going to ask about the way it was applied. Was having problems with my snipping tool, finally got it resolved.

    Any way I noticed in another piece there was noticeable signs of solder or glue. Does yours show the same.
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    Other than asking for a refund as the item is not an original antique, I don't know what you can do.
    Reporting to ebay that they are selling in a fraudulent manner, may not accomplish much.
     
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  7. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    I would request a return with full refund because the item was not as described. And feedback is the only way to warn others that the item was NOT AS DESCRIBED, it was altered - using the work fake might get the feedback removed.
     
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  8. Wolfrott

    Wolfrott New Member

    Yep, I got my refund, sent it back, sadly the seller (not sure in 2019) is still selling them.
     
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  9. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    ebay is interested in the fees, not in what people buy. I recently got an altered brooch as a hanger with a valueless chain on it from Lithuania instead of Norway and provided pics of everything to ebay; no consequences whatsoever - so I took the loss and warned off other people by a negative. sadly I listened to US members here that have no idea about the different European countries - when your car is getting stolen or your precious values, then go to the Baltic states and you'll find them.
     
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  10. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    when your car is getting stolen or your precious values, then go to the Baltic states and you'll find them.

    Only if you wait at the Russian border, to see them as they pass.
     
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  11. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    nope. they're sold either inland or go to Belarus and then further on to Ukraine, Georgia, Kirgistan etc..
    you should update your infos from the 90s. come to think of it, you don't have to care about it, nobody wants righthand driven cars anyways.
     
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