Featured Silver mark help needed. Lid on glass powder (?) jar

Can anyone help with the maker? Looks like "F & ___" inside of a flag. I see the patent date (...or number?)

Is this from 1980 or is that some kind of patent number? Was thinking older with the monogram and overall look. Thoughts?

Also would this be called a powder jar?

Thanks for taking a look.

 

Very pretty! Mark may be Foster and Bailey (although the second letter looks more like a J on second look.)

https://www.sterlingflatwarefashions.com/Silversmiths/SSF4.html

 

I expected a patent date of around 1900. 1880 seems a little early for this style and 1980 seems just way too recent for condition and style.

 

I think the 1980 is a model number, can't be a date -

 

Bakers nailed it.

 

Great job (once again!) Bakers. Fantastic to have the maker.

Thank goodness I'm not going crazy -- was thinking Art Nouveau, got home and saw the "1980" ... Did they remake things like this in the 80's?? But then the fancy monogram looked older and wondered if it could be a patent #. Figured someone here would straighten me out.

It was $15 at an estate sale yesterday. It has a chip to the glass on the side which I noticed prior to purchase. I really struggled about the purchase, whether good for resale, but just thought the lid was so exceptional with the woman's face and birds flying.

Looks like a decent maker so hopefully will come out okay.

Thank you all for taking a look.

 

Give the lid a good cleaning and that should help the appeal. It really is very nice indeed!

 

Here is another one just like mine (live Ebay auction).

A little bit of the text is possibly not correct. (Jar is circa 1898, but patent date is 1916?")

Oh well, shows me that my base is the same.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Nouvea...423917?hash=item261d7c03ad:g:KeAAAOSwNoRc5EXB

 

That seller must have a 1916 number on the lid where yours has 1980. Without the actual patent date we can't get closer than "no later than 1898" since that is when F & B's name was changed by incorporation as Theodore Foster and Bros.

 

Good point. Thanks!

 

The pat. date: 1980, looks as though the numbers were individual stamped. I'm wondering if the stamper might have transposed the last 2 numbers? That would make it 1908 which would be fit the design?

 

Sorry Gus - 1908 is too late for the maker's mark by 10 years.

 

Then, maybe 1890?

 

It could be a typo for 1890 because the mark and the company were valid then.

 

Foster & Bro. continued use of the 'F&B' flag mark into at least the early 20th century, the '1980' isn't a date, they typically used 4-digit production codes...

~Cheryl