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  1. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I got this sterling silver plaque when purchasing a large amount of WWI medals on Saturday.

    It has been prised off a military sports trophy sometime in the last 120 years.
    It weighs 90 grams or 3.2 oz

    The Queen Victoria's Cup (abroad) 1904

    The winners were the 2nd Battalion The Welch Regiment.
    (It is now spelt Welsh).

    This regiment had been fighting in the Boer War 1899 -1902 and in 1904 were still stationed overseas.

    Victoria died in 1901 but the trophy was still named after her.

    My mystery is the hallmark is dated 1906, Birmingham by E&Co
    first registered 1906.

    I've seen items before with an older hallmark and newer date, but not something dated in the future.

    I wonder if it is a replica plaque made in 1906 due to an error on the original or maybe it was never used at all.

    Although I can find reference to the first 3 named winners in the team I can't find anything about the trophy, or the event.

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  2. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

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    I can't be of any help regarding the hallmark but I found these two references to the Queen Victoria's Cup.

    Silver shooting medallion - Army Rifle Association Queen Victoria's Cup : Lieutenant G E Mitchell: Devon Regiment
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    Place Europe: United Kingdom
    Accession Number RELAWM16188.007
    Collection type Heraldry
    Object type Medallion
    Physical description Silver
    Maker Unknown
    Place made United Kingdom
    Date made c 1900
    Description
    Silver shooting medallion - Army Rifle Association Queen's Cup. Obverse: The Duke of Wellington in uniform and on horseback facing left with 'THE QUEENS CUP' around the top circumference. Reverse: In the centre within a circle 'THE QUEENS CUP -- WINNERS 2nd Bn DEVONSHIRE REGt LIEUT. & QrMr. G.E.MITCHELL' with 'THE ARMY RIFLE ASSOCIATION' around the circumference.

    History / Summary
    Won by Lieutenant & Quartermaster Mitchell for rifle shooting. George Edward Mitchell was born 1 October 1862. He served for 19 years 251 days in the ranks and 3 years 103 days as a Warrant Officer. He was commissioned Lieutenant Quartermaster on 20 September 1902, and honorary Captain (Quartermaster) on 20 September 1912. He retired from the Devonshire Regiment on 15 August 1914 after nearly 33 years service.



    • The Queen Victoria Cup

    This statuette is a replica of the statuette of the Duke of Wellington (itself a copy of the Wellington Memorial in Aldershot), awarded by the Army Rifle Association from 1895 onwards. It was won in 1902 by a team from 1st Bn The Queen’s Royal Regiment whose names and scores in the match are recorded below. It was presented to the officers of 1st Bn Queen’s Royal Regiment by Col W S Burrell on leaving the Regiment, 2nd March 1903.

    Lieut (QM) J J Grubb Score 95
    WO2 (CSM) J E Garvin Score 95
    Sgt G Hughes Score 94
    Drum Sgt G Warren Score 101
    L/Sgt W Chandler Score 88
    Cpl A Farrow Score 96
    L/Cpl J Fuller Score 97
    L/Cpl C Savidge Score 99


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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Could be that the original trophy was lost somehow.
    I guess that would have been one of their first asignments, made shortly after they registered.
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    maybe a plaque presented when they arrived home
     
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  5. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    Best Answer

    I can't be of any help regarding the hallmark but I found these two references to the Queen Victoria's Cup.

    Silver shooting medallion - Army Rifle Association Queen Victoria's Cup : Lieutenant G E Mitchell: Devon Regiment
    Current pageof 2
    [​IMG]

    Download Low Res Image
    Order a copy

    Download Low Res Image
    Order a copy
    Place Europe: United Kingdom
    Accession Number RELAWM16188.007
    Collection type Heraldry
    Object type Medallion
    Physical description Silver
    Maker Unknown
    Place made United Kingdom
    Date made c 1900
    Description
    Silver shooting medallion - Army Rifle Association Queen's Cup. Obverse: The Duke of Wellington in uniform and on horseback facing left with 'THE QUEENS CUP' around the top circumference. Reverse: In the centre within a circle 'THE QUEENS CUP -- WINNERS 2nd Bn DEVONSHIRE REGt LIEUT. & QrMr. G.E.MITCHELL' with 'THE ARMY RIFLE ASSOCIATION' around the circumference.

    History / Summary
    Won by Lieutenant & Quartermaster Mitchell for rifle shooting. George Edward Mitchell was born 1 October 1862. He served for 19 years 251 days in the ranks and 3 years 103 days as a Warrant Officer. He was commissioned Lieutenant Quartermaster on 20 September 1902, and honorary Captain (Quartermaster) on 20 September 1912. He retired from the Devonshire Regiment on 15 August 1914 after nearly 33 years service.



    • The Queen Victoria Cup

    This statuette is a replica of the statuette of the Duke of Wellington (itself a copy of the Wellington Memorial in Aldershot), awarded by the Army Rifle Association from 1895 onwards. It was won in 1902 by a team from 1st Bn The Queen’s Royal Regiment whose names and scores in the match are recorded below. It was presented to the officers of 1st Bn Queen’s Royal Regiment by Col W S Burrell on leaving the Regiment, 2nd March 1903.

    Lieut (QM) J J Grubb Score 95
    WO2 (CSM) J E Garvin Score 95
    Sgt G Hughes Score 94
    Drum Sgt G Warren Score 101
    L/Sgt W Chandler Score 88
    Cpl A Farrow Score 96
    L/Cpl J Fuller Score 97
    L/Cpl C Savidge Score 99


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  6. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Thanks Lucy,

    The second reference certainly looks similar and the list of winners is the same number as mine 8.
    I searched for hours and found nothing like that.
     
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  7. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    3810078.jpeg I found it completely by chance when looking for something else Queen Vic related & remembered seeing your post!
    This is the other side of the medal, think I forgot to post last time.
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  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    many hands make light work.........!!;):playful:
     
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  9. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Maybe they didn’t make enough for every winner on the first run and one or more were commissioned after the fact.
     
    J Dagger, Jan 9, 2024
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