Featured Silverplated Butter Dish with Green Opaline Glass

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by R. Antonis, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. R. Antonis

    R. Antonis Well-Known Member

    Hi everybody!!

    Today I received this silverplated butter dish.
    Inside there's a green opaline glass.

    There's a hallmark on the lid & dish (these are the same).
    See pictures..

    I really don't know what it means.
    Can anybody tell me more about it?

    The seller said it was 19th century.
    Country of origin is unknown to me.
    I'd say English, but that's based on really nothing.

    Thank you very much!!
    R. Antonis

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  2. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    That's a British Registry Date Number at the bottom. If I'm interpreting correctly, this one is for either 20 June 1855 (if the letter at the top is a G) or 20 June 1844 (if the letter is a C).

    I think you would use the key for Table 1 on this page:
    http://www.925-1000.com/registry.html
     
  3. R. Antonis

    R. Antonis Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much for this link!! I didn't know there was this whole system for it. To me it was like hieroglyphs :p

    Table 1 is correct I see.

    The year letter I believe is a "G".
    So that would make it 20 JUNE, 1853.

    In the example, in the center it says Rd.
    Mines says: Ra. Do you also know where this stands for?

    Also the Parcel-number: #6. Is this the city where it's made?
     
  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    You are seeing that d as an a because of the font used. It is definitely a d.

    Parcel numbers are not associated with a place and are generally irrelevant for our purposes.
     
  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    By the way, my book shows G as 1863 and the Y as 1853. I don't know which is correct - the book or the site.
     
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    And one other point. You called this marking a "hallmark" and it is not a hallmark. It is an English Design Registry Mark. The Registry covered a wide range of materials, not just metal items and the information in the mark tells you nothing about who made it.

    I take it you have not found any other markings anywhere?
     
  7. R. Antonis

    R. Antonis Well-Known Member

    I just found this website. I think your book is right.

    https://www.kovels.com/identification-help/english-registry-marks.html

    This one also says the letter G = 1863.

    It also mentions the parcel number as referring to company or person that registered the piece.

    Wheter it's a "G" or a "C", I'm not really sure.

    Too bad there's nothing on the maker.
     
  8. R. Antonis

    R. Antonis Well-Known Member

    No I haven't found any other marks. I willtake another close look just to be sure.

    So a hallmark means it referring to either a maker/place or silver grade etc.?

    I thought it was just another word for something imprinted.
     
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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    In England, the term hallmark only applies to marks applied on sterling or gold items which have been sent in to be tested against the appropriate standard. It is the guarantee that the fineness of the metal meets that standard and was tested in a given city during the year also given in the marks array by the maker whose registered mark has been applied.

    The term hallmark should never be used for the marks on a silverplated piece.

    You should only use the term Hallmark when the item has been assayed and guaranteed under the source country's rules. Not all countries have such a system.
     
  10. R. Antonis

    R. Antonis Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much for your explanation. :)
     
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  11. Phil F.

    Phil F. Active Member

    Thanks for this link... I have some silver flatware and pieces to research.
     
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  12. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    another beautiful piece:) I love the green!
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    R. about the hallmarks, it is as Bakers explained, but just a little comparison to the Dutch situation.
    The Dutch word for hallmark is 'keurteken', which in The Netherlands can only be issued by a 'waarborgkantoor' for solid precious metals above a certain fineness grade, after a strict testing procedure.
     
  14. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    It is a beautiful item!!!!!
    greg
     
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  15. R. Antonis

    R. Antonis Well-Known Member

    I don't know if I'm allowed to say it here, but most (if not all) my items are for sale basically. If you see something pass the forum that you'd really love to have, don't hestitate to just (personal) message me.
     
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  16. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Yep, sorrrrrry.... my eyesight is failing. :shame:
     
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