Featured Small antique molded glass bottle. Middle East? Further East?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Any Jewelry, Mar 26, 2017.

  1. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I bought this little darling because of that beautiful cobalt blue.
    The seller called it 'a Persian snuff bottle', probably because of the Persian-like cobalt and the shape and size of the bottle, reminiscent of Chinese snuff bottles. It is 5.5 cm / 2.16" high. I don't recognize this as a Chinese snuff bottle, of which I have a few hundred.
    The swirls are probably a feature of a lot of molded glass. So far I have looked at Persian glass, Syrian glass, fake Chinese 'Roman glass', nothing like it.
    The seller lives in a part of The Netherlands with a strong connection to the VOC (Dutch East India Company) and sells a lot of Indonesian antiques that came to this country with returned or resettled families. I don't know of any bottle like this from Indonesia, but the swirls do remind me of Javanese jatim glass.
    It is very tactile, feels like it has been handled for centuries.
    Any ideas of origin, period and use? Perfume bottle? If Middle Eastern, it could also be a kohl bottle.
    Thanks for looking.
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  2. jakatch

    jakatch Active Member

    The glass does look old to me but I would like to 'feel' it.

    Reminds me of the marbles we played with many moons ago.
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Anytime you're in The Netherlands;).
    I know what you mean, and you could watch those swirls roll for hours...
     
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  4. George Nesmith

    George Nesmith Well-Known Member

    Why do you say molded? It looks blown to me with the frit color manipulated in while still on the pipe.
     
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  5. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    I thought the same regarding marbles.
     
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  6. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I agree, not moulded at all. It's also very like scent flask bottles made in Nailsea. There were similar made on Murano, but I'd expect the glass to be a bit thinner.
     
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  7. Walter Del Pellegrino

    Walter Del Pellegrino Well-Known Member

    Based upon the clues I believe you have a really nice example of a 19th century American or English perfume bottle meant to hang from a ladies chatelaine. I think the neck of the bottle was broken at the point where the bottle was connected to the chain.
    The material is commonly known as Slag glass, or Agate (which explains why marbles are sometimes called "Aggies"). Slag glass was made by adding the waste material left over from melting or refining of iron ore. In the 19th century the U.S. and Great Britain were the leading industrial countries and produced an abundance of slag so I think its safe to assume your bottle was made here. I have included an example of an intact bottle.
    If you are not sure what a chatelaine I've included a link below.

    http://www.earthlyadornments.com/an...ing-italian-glass-perfume-bottle-pdvc458.html

    http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/the-killer-mobile-device-for-victorian-women/
     
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  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It's not always made from adding waste iron ore, Walter. Davidson and some other English makers simply mixed coloured glasses.

    Good article here:

    http://www.glassencyclopedia.com/slagglass.html

    I think this may be a bit earlier than the 19th. The feathering is a bit uneven and it's thick.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone, that explains a lot. So now I have to find a nice silver collar and lid. Finding one that fits will take years, if I ever do.

    Yes, the uneven feathering and the thickness of the glass threw me a bit off scent;).
    When it comes to antique European glass I am used to Venetian and Dutch, which is usually much more controlled and thin-walled. And the 'Persian snuff bottle' description probably influenced my search too much.
     
  10. Walter Del Pellegrino

    Walter Del Pellegrino Well-Known Member

    I don't know enough about the subject to counter but since chatelains did not become popular as jewelry until the early 19th century and slag glass came into common use during the mid 1800's I would date the piece between mid 19th and early 20th century.
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

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  12. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    But it is always nice to have a goal in life, neh?:)
     
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  13. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Yup, chatelaines were in use here in Elizabethan times.

    Your bottle may not have been for a chatelaine, though, they also exist as standalones.

    I really would not call that slag, thinking about it. If you look at the cross section, if it were slag, it would be marbled all the way through. As George says, coloured frit picked up on the gather.
     
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  14. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I think Walter is on to something with the chatelaine perfume.
    But I don't think it is English, as it is too heavy, nor as fine as the glass makers there were producing.
    I think more mid to late 1800s Venitian glass. What bothers me is that it is not polished and somewhat crude, not really satin. Does it appear to have been buried?

    English chatelaine perfumes:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=eng...YyYKHaa-DfMQ_AUICSgC&biw=1287&bih=890#imgrc=_

    Italian/Venice glass chatelaine perfumes:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=cha...&q=Italian+glass+chatelaine+perfume&*&imgrc=_

    There appear to be a few satin ones if you scroll down:
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/502221795925230659/
     
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  15. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    The other thing that bothers me is that little swirl of yellow.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Exactly, cluttered, mine doesn't look nearly as refined, thin-walled, and smooth as the examples online.
     
  17. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    That's why I think it's a lot older than the 19th.
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    What about the black (charcoal?) particles?
     
  19. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I couldn't tell what those were.
    Part of the reason I was asking if you thought it might have been buried?
     
  20. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Bits of grit picked up in the gather. Quite common. Won't be charcoal, that would vaporise.
     
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