Featured Sudanese water basket?

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  1. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I think this may be a water or canteen basket from Sudan but that's just my google guess.

    There seem to be some with high prices (at least asking) and I'm wondering if this is just an inexpensive tourist basket or if I need to look deeper and have something of a bit of value.

    It came in a box of stuff from a local Virginia auction as nearly as I recall. It measures 11" high and has a lid. It is wrapped in leather with a leather cord for hanging I assume.

    Thank you so much for you help as I try to sort through stuff in my basement and try to decide where it needs to go! :)

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  2. say_it_slowly

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    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Some additional info....I might be getting close to sorting this out (but not at all sure) and not on the value.

    http://objects.prm.ox.ac.uk/pages/PRMUID191760.html

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    2001.77.5
    Coiled pear-shaped basket with flat base and straight neck decorated with red tanned goat skin, and cow hide strapping. [CW [OPS Move] 30/11/2016]
    Place details: AFRICA. Sudan, Republic of / Southern Darfur. Cultural Group: Beni Halba?: Beni Husein?: Rizekat: Local Name: kerio Materials: Goat Skin Animal / Palm Fibre Plant / Animal Hide Skin / ?. Processes: Basketry / Plaited / Stitched / ?. Dimensions: Max H = 350 mm Max Diam = 210 mm Field Collector: Natalie Tobert When Collected: 1979 - 1985 PRM Source: Natalie Tobert Acquired: Purchased 2001 Related Collections: 2001.81.

    KEYWORD: Basket / CLASS: Basketry / Marriage / ?.

    Object description: Baskets of this type are traditionally given by Rizekat grooms as gifts to their brides. [JP 12/2/2004] The strapping around the bottom half of the basket is vertical and is secured at the top and the bottom bands of twisted hide tied horizontally around the circumference of the basket. Around the middle section of the basket is horizotal red tanned goat skin strapping. The rim of the neck is edged with goat skin and a furthr band of woven goat skin which extends beyond the circumference of the neck and ends in a tassle. A basketry saucer shaped lid is attached, and there is a plaited carrying strap of ?cow hide. [JP 13/2/2004]

    Research notes: A basket of this type is illustrated (nb. the illustration is NOT an exact representation of this basket) in Rizekat Wedding Baskets, Sudan by Natalie Tobert, Journal of Museum Ethnography No. 4, December 1993, p. 79, Fig, 2.3, and is described as follows: 'Container presented as part of the marriage good. Used as a container for flour when made of palm fibre. When made of root fibres it is used to transport milk: there is no leakage since the fibres swell. The leather thonging outside the container is of cattle hide.' See this article for information on the materials, manufacture, and use of wedding baskets. In Natalie Torbert's handlist of items given to the Museum she lists this item as 'S. Darfur, Beni Husein' but on her handwritten label attached to the object she has written 'S. Darfur, Beni Halba'. Her article in the Journal of Museum Ethnography implies that only Rizekat women make these baskets, though they may sell them to other people. It is not therefore clear which cultural group made this item.
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    u seem to have all the right info.....

    maybe since Darfur has gone to hell in a handbasket..... some folks think this traditional wedding basket should have a much higher value ....???
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    imo the $45 one, is nicer...
    and the $700 one...will never sell !!............ ever.

    It a nice basket , with history.....so hold it for a while until u can get a fair market value idea......that makes sense..:):)
     
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    I agree with the Darfur origin.

    The ones I have found in museum collections (such as the ones you found at the Pit Rivers and the British Museum) seem to be larger. It may be that yours is a smaller version made for sale, which would account for the difference in prices. It does not appear to have any wear or significant age.

    Also:
    https://www.horniman.ac.uk/object/21.8.62/6/
     
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  9. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Thank you both so much for your thoughts!

    I believe it's probably one of the baskets from my notes about auction purchase "box of baskets some look African" so it would have been in my basement for seven years. I assumed it was a souvenir or like but don't remember looking into it before. I don't see signs of use either.

    I am checking before I donate just in case I want to keep something or find in a home with someone that wants it.

    I'll keep it for now I guess and watch auction prices.

    Thank you :)
     
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    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    LOL I love baskets but know next to nothing about them. I'm in over my head trying to sort through and figure it out:)

    I so appreciate how willing folks who know more are willing to help a girl out!

    (I also do love digging for answers!)
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    this'll give u a leg up.......it's a good book well laid out , smart pics.....maybe a couple of mistakes........but who the hell is perfect anyways..:jawdrop::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  13. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Would you be shocked to know that I have this book:facepalm:. It's a beautiful book and I completely forgot to look.

    It is very good for an overall view but I'm so unsure of myself that I appreciate wiser eyes:kiss:.

    This is what it has that I think is the closest to mine but different enough I'd not be sure. It's a Darfur basket.

    Thank you for taking time to guide me along!

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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!


    thank you , for your time here,,,,helping legions..! :kiss:

    the basket u show is older tighter and more ostentatious ...... but it's what you have !!

    :eek::eek::eek::eek: shocked....indeed !!!!..:playful::playful::playful::playful::playful::playful::playful:
     
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