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Featured Teacup and saucer. English bone china

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by moreotherstuff, Aug 31, 2021.

  1. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Bored. Bored. Bored. Bored. Bored.
    So I'll ask about this cup and saucer. Nothing special, standard size, but I'm guessing pre-WWII. Pretty sure the mark on it is from an importer in the U.S. or Canada. Does anybody recognize the mark?
    Teacup Saucer English Best Bone China Cottages Houses Lake Hand Colored Enamelled -a.jpg

    Teacup Saucer English Best Bone China Cottages Houses Lake Hand Colored Enamelled -b.jpg
     
  2. Tahmoor girl

    Tahmoor girl Active Member

    Bone china produced before 1810 does not have pattern names or numbers, according to the website AW Antiques and Collectibles. Therefore, no pattern names or numbers could indicate a very old piece of bone china.

    Check for kite marks, which are kite-shaped emblems on the back of the china. Encoded in those marks will be the month, day and year that the china was produced. That information is not readily visible, but there are websites that can help you decipher the marks. Kite marks were used most often in the mid-1800s. After 1883, registration numbers were used. These numbers indicated the year the china was produced.



    Look for the words "Royal Arms" or "Royal" in the manufacturer's name. The words "Royal Arms" were not used until after 1800. The word "Royal" was not used until after 1850.

    Look for the words "Limited" or "Ltd." These marks were not required until after 1860.

    Look for the country of origin in the marks on bone china. In 1891, information about the country of origin was required for goods

    So from this information we can see that you may have a very old piece of bone china. It has no kite mark, no 'Royal' mark and no 'Limited'.

    How to Interpret the Markings on Bone China (ourpastimes.com)
     
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  3. Tahmoor girl

    Tahmoor girl Active Member

    Look next for the words "English Bone" and "Bone China." These words usually indicate that the china is a product of the 20th century, but it may have been produced as early as 1875 if it says "Made in England," according to the AW Antiques and Collectibles website.
     
  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    "A teacup is a cup for drinking tea. It may be with a handle, generally a small one that may be grasped with the thumb and one or two fingers. It is typically made of a ceramic material. It is usually part of a set, composed of a cup and a matching saucer or a trio that includes a small cake or sandwich plate. These in turn may be part of a tea set in combination with a teapot, cream jug, covered sugar bowl and slop bowl en suite. Teacups are often wider and shorter than coffee cups. Cups for morning tea are conventionally larger than cups for afternoon tea."

    Want to know more?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacup
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/teacup

    Enjoy!:)
     
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  5. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    And the great thing is that you can even click on the words 'thumb' and 'fingers' and those terms will be explained as well!:happy:
     
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  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Whoever wrote that stuff is smoking something. For a start, the registry diamond mark is when a design was registered not manufactured. And claiming no pattern names or numbers prior to 1810 is magicked out of imagination. The entirety of thoser quotes are codswallop.

    Anyhow, this cup and saucer are 1930s. That red roof thing was wildly popular then, Clarice Cliff started it off. I don't know the mark, I'd think importer, indeed.

    Oh, AJ! Love ya.
     
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  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Well I didn't know that cups for morning tea are conventionally larger than cups for afternoon tea.

    You'll find lots of teacups and saucers that have no marks on them at all - printed or impressed. That doesn't necessarily mean they're old. If there are marks, those can be indicator of age and can sometimes nail it down pretty specifically... and sometimes not. Styles of decoration may be an indicator, but that isn't a sure thing either.
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2021
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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    They're known as breakfast cups and can be huge.
     
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  10. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Me either!

    I learned something new today, and it's not even 6 a.m. where I am!

    Thank you AJ!

    And that post must have taken you quite a bit of time with all the links.....I've forgotten just how to do that.................
     
  11. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    I learned something new today too - codswallop - TY OBB!
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    :D:kiss:
     
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  13. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    I also learned something new today and it is way to early to be up.
     
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Come on, pearls, it's past midday!:playful:
     
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  15. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    LOL not here AJ. It is not even 7 am and I have been up for about 2 hrs. Oy
     
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  16. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Ah, sparrow fart.
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I don't think that is used in the US, so just to translate, @pearlsnblume , that means very early in the morning.:)
     
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  18. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    What wonderful posts!

    Laughter is wonderful....no matter what time of the day!!!!:cat:
     
  19. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Yeah, sparrows don't fart in the daylight. ;)
     
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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Scientific fact.:pompous: They are too embarassed to.
     
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