Featured Temp. Forgotten 5.25” porcelain bowl

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  1. mmarco102

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    Hello everyboby, here is a item we picked up from the Atlanta estate sale a while back and again with no hallmark, it was put aside till now.

    An uneven, non perfect circle 5.25” porcelain bowl. Has a few dots of blue on back(marking or accidental). There are two errors in the inner rim, you will see images of.

    This is a beautiful little plate that is showing a lot of age. My uneducated guess would be late 1700’s to early 1800’s.

    Completely lost on origin. Any opinions or knowledge is greatly appreciated. I should have looked closer at this one when we first got home.

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  2. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

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  3. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Forgot to say yours would be the saucer to go with a teabowl like the one shown and is earthenware/pearlware rather than porcelain.
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  4. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Looks like Staffordshire pottery with those decals thinking 1840. Very pretty design. I think I remember one in mulberry coloring. JMHO.
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  5. mmarco102

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    Amazing, how well you matched that up, right down to the short link in the chain, thank you.

    The cup does seem to be so much more symmetrical and level than my bowl. I say bowl, because it’s about 1 1/4 inch tall. It looks a little deep for a saucer, but then again I did not live back then :). The match is perfect. Is there any due diligence I can do to establish when the pattern first came out or is that a rabbit hole?

    I’m shocked it is that old, more shocked how little people will pay for something that survives 200 years. But than again most people today consider an Iphone 2, to be an antique, lol.

    Thank you again.

    Thank you greg, been reading up on “Staffordshire” and see the resemblances. Appreciate your input for now I know their mark and will look for it going foward. *thumbs up*
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  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    The size is correct for a teabowl saucer of the time. They didn't have the foot ring for the cup/teabowl to sit in that appear later on Staffordshire wares. Apparently sometimes the tea was poured into the saucer to cool.

    I had done some research on Salopian patterns awhile back so I'll see if I can find more info.
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  7. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I haven't looked everywhere yet to see how much I compiled. I'll fire up my old computer later to see if it's there but I think I turned over what I found (though I usually keep copies) it's been awhile.

    Anyway to back up a little....Salopian ware is a term for some transferware patterns that were printed in black or brown and then had certain colors applied like a wash primarily on pearlware like body I believe. From all I could find they were a limited number of patterns and could also be found in single colors like yours.

    Finding information hasn't been easy. I have several publications from the Northern Ceramic Society where they address Salopian ware. The dates I've found are in the 1810-1820 range but as with most things there may be more up to date info available somewhere or someone here may know more.

    You pattern doesn't appear in the above mentioned publications though there are only a few shown. I looked through The Dictionary of Blue and White Printed Pottery 1780-1880 Volumes 1 & 2 (Coysh & Henrywood) and didn't find it either though not every pattern is illustrated.

    Sorry that's all I've got for now. English transferware teabowl saucer and I'm guessing first quarter of the 19th C. (Not Salopian, just a pattern that may also have been used that way)
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  8. mmarco102

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    You have given me so much. As stated in OP, I figured late 19th. It is a very nice dish and I love the way it is not perfectly symmetrical with such a well detailed design. Still amazed how you nailed the pattern. You are a blessing, thank you.
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