Featured THOUGHTS/INFO ON ORIENTAL CARVED BONE(?) HANDLE LETTER OPENER

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by journeymagazine, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    I found this at a 'pop up' tent estate sale over the week-end. I believe it's bone because the grain is straight (instead of the tic tac toe pattern of ivory grain).
    Any idea of it's age?
    Is it japanese or chinese?
    Anything other info of value would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The handle looks like it should be on a Japanese (style) walking stick. Maybe a marriage?
     
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  3. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    I thought that too; looks like the ivory cane handle I asked about last week but bone.
     
  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I agree that the growth pattern looks more like bone than ivory.
     
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  5. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Acknowledging the limitations of examination through photographs, I believe it is ivory. Elephant tusk can develop cracks along its length, similar to bone. The distinctive cross hatching on ivory is often difficult to find - it will be apparent on surfaces that are cross sections of the original tusk. Look carefully at all surfaces of the carving. There is no bone in a typical animal skeleton that could yield a solid ball such as the head of this piece. The largest bones are either flat (like a scapula) or hollow (like the shaft of a femur). The head of a femur is also not as dense as ivory. It is difficult to get as high a polish on bone as ivory. Most bone, if examined under magnification, will show tiny pores for the blood vessels that originally fed it.
    With that said, there is also the possibility that it is cast resin, which would show none of these characteristics.
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm going with bone , also..
    unless it's a casting....
     
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  7. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Agree completely. I ran through all the same thoughts. I was leaning toward ivory from the side views, but top/cross section doesn't look right to me. Without being able to handle it, it is difficult to be certain. Journey, if you did not pay much for it, that would be an additional argument for one of those shockingly realistic resin replicas China is churning out.
     
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  8. hamptonauction

    hamptonauction Well-Known Member

    I'm also going with bone.
     
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  9. SPERLS

    SPERLS sperls

    My thoughts are possibly ivory...I am leaning towards a resin.
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    So we've got it narrowed down to bone, ivory or resin.:playful:
     
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  11. JayBee

    JayBee Well-Known Member

    I'd say the elephant tusk they got it from had a bone crown, with a partial resin filling... :bored::rolleyes::pompous:
     
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  12. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    Ivory and quite old (pre 1850 at least) cast bronze blade? Japanese for sure.....very nice
     
  13. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    7th picture looks clearly like fake ivory to me. This is the pic that should show holes for bone or Schaeder lines for ivory but nothing there. Don’t think the blade looks old either. They have been faking ivory for a long time.
     
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  14. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    There are no actual dimensions posted,so my guess is antler.
     
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  15. Silver Wolf

    Silver Wolf Well-Known Member

    its japanese!
     
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  16. Cindy Schuhmann

    Cindy Schuhmann New Member

    I have the exact same item. This makes me thing it is something mass produced. Mine is a leter opener and a magnifying glass set. What are the chances?
     
  17. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Hi Cindy!

    Welcome to Antiquers..............
     
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  18. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    I don’t see evidence of resin (popped bubbles, little balls in crevices), a bone would have to be very thick to get enough material for the carved ball part, and I can’t see the blood vessel punct or lines.
    The lines can be like that on an aged piece of ivory, and Shregger lines or cross hatch pattern isn’t always showing, depending of the part of the tusk carved... To me it is carved, not molded.
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Welcome Cindy.
    I think it is very likely that many of these were carved in small workshops as early souvenirs. Someone would make the first one, and others would copy it.
     
  20. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Hi, Cindy. You can help settle this if you will tell us, or, better, show us, whether the knobs on your pieces are identical to each other in the look of the carving (or 'carving') & the argument will really end if OP's is exactly like your two.
     
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