thoughts on large staffordshire piece, mmm i not sure

hey guys

bought this monstrous piece today, im pretty much 50/50 on whether its right or not

its large 12 1/2 inches by 9 inches

ive definetly seen worse when it comes to staffordshire pieces

it was velly velly cheap, so its not the end of the world

any thoughts appreciated

 

King John signing Magna Carta ?
https://m.ebay.ie/itm/True-Antique-...shire-Figure-/401596081351?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1
Maybe @Ownedbybear will know?

 

Jeez !!

Thanks inh, definitely same type, I only hope the sellers is right !

I won't count my chickens just yet, as there's LOADS of stuff that's not right

The title is a massive help though

 

You will see others using that phrase. But I don’t know if it’s of the period or authentic, but someone will.

 

Thanks I'll have a good shufty now I've got the title of the piece

I do think mine looks better facially than the linked one, but like I said I'm still 50/50

 

I think it's James 1 with a Bible. The two pages are in kilts with argyle stockings, and it makes more sense than King John. His clothes are wrong for John the Only too; John Lackland would have been in long robes.

 

Thanks for the info, I'll look into that too

 

Could be. There are a lot with the other title, BUT we all know how that happens.

 

Did you find anymore inh ? Could only find that 1 on ebay

 

http://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/341715

https://www.onekingslane.com/p/4354291-king-john-signing-magna-carta-figurine.do

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/...0021/lot-c00caca1-0290-4c83-b7c4-a5b700e99f86

https://moorabool.com/product/large-staffordshire-figure-king-john-signing-the-magna-carta-c-1860/


https://www.frostantiques.co.uk/archive/836-king-john-signing-the-magna-carta.html

 

There's this, which everyone on the free-to-say-whatever-you-want internet says it's King John... but I have yet to find the origin of the image.

 

I would say this one defo fake
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/19THC-STAFF...NG-JOHN-SIGNING-THE-MAGNA-CARTA-/253199200567

 

Just spotted that one too! See above, I posted some others.

 

Yeah thank you, I had a good butchers !

I reckon it'll take an expert to tell if it's right or not, as they do all seem quite varying

I think the whiteness of mine is a good sign, as the proper ones I've looked at in hand always seem to have that

 

Yes, I don’t know the first thing about telling age or quality by looking. Someone will be along. I HOPE it’s the real deal.

 

I hate to say it, but at this point the fake might be worth as much as the original.

 

Yeah your right though, the price for Staffordshire stuff has severely plummeted

Never a better time for buying it

 

Great avatar for this place; instead of love we're Addicted to Junque!

 

Repro, but older - 1950s ish maybe 70s. That glaze is way too shiny, the decoration far too considered.

 

thanks obb, there was something about it that seemed not right