Turquoise and silver ring. Signed JT ??

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Lucille.b, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Any thoughts on the signature of this ring? Maker?

    Thanks!

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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    looks navajo...
     
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  3. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Thanks for taking a look. :happy:
     
  4. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

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  5. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    looks like Bisbee turq...
     
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  7. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Awesome! INH, you nailed it! That is totally the mark. And Komokwa you are correct it is Navajo.

    Now I have to look up Bisbee turquoise...

    Thank you! :)
     
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  8. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Did you notice this part from the link.... " When we get to the JT section we find several marks, but none of them have the box around them. Fight the temptation to think one of the JT’s is your artist, this is a very distinct hallmark and most likely doesn’t belong to one of the artists listed."
     
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  9. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Taken from INH's link, was basically going on this paragraph:

    "I turn to Hougart’s Native American and Southwestern Silver Hallmarks. The book is not as easy to use as Wright’s work, but it has lots of images. The book goes by artist’s last name, so I turn to the Ts. I come across a promising picture, and the name associated with the hallmark is Johnson Todacheeny.
    [​IMG] Native American & Southwestern Silver Hallmarks".

    This was enough that I Ebay searched "Johnson Todacheeny" and every piece on has a stamp that looks exactly like the stamp on my ring. Co-joined JT in a box.

    That said, I will definitely say in the description "not conclusive...etc". Based on the asking prices of the 3 or 4 pieces claiming to be Johnson Todacheeny on Ebay this week, I'm not sure it adds much value one way or the other beyond the value of a reasonably well done silver/turquoise piece.

    Thanks!
     
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it begs to be shined up..
     
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  11. Eileen Jones

    Eileen Jones Member

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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  13. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Eileen. Just took a look under that name. Found an Etsy one, under Jessie Thompson Navajo, but didn't have the box or the co-joined letters. Will do some more research, though.

    These seem to have the JT box mark for Todacheeny, and there are a number of examples online I found.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Native-Ame...acheeny-Turquoise-Ring-Size-6-5-/223447840547

    https://www.rubylane.com/item/350519-J-2640/Signed-Native-American-Ring-Silver-Turquoise

    Will continue to look, though.

    Thanks, all! :)
     
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  14. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    I would be cautious using listings as research. I know on eBay no one polices them, I bet not on Etsy either :(

    I agree, that poor puppy needs sone silver polish!
     
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  15. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    I thought it was a very in-depth search done by PerryNullTrading. There is a Forum mentioned:
    https://forum.turquoisepeople.com/c/identifying-discovering
    Maybe some members here would like to join as on occasion, the NA marks are not all discovered here. I would Image some of the members have reference books like the one referenced above.

    Maybe @reader has an idea.
     
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  16. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    The first link INH posted really does sort this mark (with real references), but you have to read the entire "PART IV" section.
     
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