Featured Unmarked sterling silver bracelet

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by billyd3us, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. billyd3us

    billyd3us relax buddy, it's all good

    This bracelet test positive for sterling silver but has no markings. Anybody know who might have made it or how modern or old ?

    Thank you

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  2. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

  3. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

  4. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Billy, I have 2 sterling pieces like yours that I bought with my allowance as a kid about 1948 in either AZ or NM, at a reservation. They too are unmarked. Marks were not so important then.
    If selling, you will need to use Southwest Native style in your description if you can't find an exact match.
    Good article Holly.
    Patd
     
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  5. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Dig them up, please!
     
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  6. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    I will Scout. After all these years they could probably use a little polish!
    Patd
     
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  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    you could say Fred Harvey era style also..
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    My very first thought was Fred Harvey era, but it could be slightly later. Not much later though.
    Exactly, marks on old pieces are very rare. Current US legislation would have us disregard that important period of NA jewellery making.:rolleyes:
     
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  9. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    @Hollyblue , this is what I wrote before in another thread:

    "The decision to only accept marked NA jewellery as NA was a bureaucratic one. In my opinion it denied the history and strong tradition of NA jewellery making.
    If there had been an assay system, or quality control system with additional registered marking by a recognized organization (like the second Mesa 'Hopi Guild'), this wouldn't have happened."
    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/native-american-sterling-necklace.31287/#post-414324

    I wrote similar things in several threads over the years, which I am sure you also contributed to, just like you contributed to the one I just quoted from.
    It should be clear from all those posts that I am all for proper protection and proper legislation, better than the make-do legislation they have now.
    So I see no reason for your cynicism.
     
  11. billyd3us

    billyd3us relax buddy, it's all good

    Great job Any Jewelry, you are a great hunter, Thanks so much.
     
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  12. billyd3us

    billyd3us relax buddy, it's all good

    Okay Thanks Pat, I will.
     
  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    :kiss:
     
  14. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    I’m surprised that you guys don’t think “Fred Harvey era” is total keyword spam. IMO you can’t use it unless you know that it is a Fred Harvey piece which is obviously impossible to prove. I realize that many use that term but that doesn’t make it right.

    IMO the piece will find a home by listing with some combination of “Vintage Mid Century Southwestern Sterling Silver Bezel Turquoise Bracelet Great Stamping”.
     
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  15. billyd3us

    billyd3us relax buddy, it's all good

    Sold it to my friend at swap meet, she loves it. Gave her a great deal $30
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I said ...Fred Harvey era style.......You left out an important disclaimer...:yawn:
     
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  17. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    I understand but IMO that name cannot be used on a venue that prohibits keyword spam and yes, people keyword spam all day long on some venues.
     
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  18. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Using something like that when researching an item is different from using the same term when selling the item.
     
  19. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    I absolutely agree and am addressing selling it only (and understand that it’s sold) so apologies if the reference was for research only but still maintain that the term shouldn’t be used by anyone selling a mid century tourist NA piece unless they personally know it was purchased at a Fred Harvey. “Style” and “era” do not lessen that it’s blatant KWS. My own internet shopping on collectibles is pretty much limited to ebay but I know it’s against policy there although that doesn’t stop it and I understand that everyone may not know that it’s a wrong thing to do. It’s search manipulation that gives a definite advantage to some over others.

    I obviously have a KWS issue and just find it to be a major turnoff that for me, reflects negatively on the seller.
     
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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I agree that items should only be sold as what they actually are. But this is a forum, which means discussions take place, and we ponder and cogitate as to the identity of items.
    In most threads we bounce around ideas which lead to more research, which hopefully in turn lead to a conclusion. That is the nature of a forum. Of course the wrong terms and identifications get thrown into the mix sometimes, it is part of the process of research and elimination.
    You can see thought processes in many threads, just to quote mine in this thread:
    My initial impression, thinking about it for a minute, and no, my initial impression wasn't right. The mini forum in my head, just like the proper forum out here.

    And about sellers using the wrong terms, some do that intentionally, but genuine mistakes are also made, without intention to deceive.
     
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