Featured Urn with crest and unusual hallmarks (pseudo?)

Can anyone make sense of the marks on this urn and possibly identify the family of the crest?
TIA!

 

Here'a the same ... https://www.chairish.com/product/21...ver-plated-covered-hot-water-urn-19th-century

 

You better read this:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Magazine_of_Art/BFjrAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq="alos+et+audax"+crest+motto&pg=PA443&printsec=frontcover

Debora

 

very interesting........

 

Think Mr. Wenham meant to say that the veriest tyro would not remain long deceived.

 

Wow, that's a great reference! Thank you Debora!
Very interesting indeed. The marks on my piece seem different from the description in this article of theirs. I'm wondering if there were multiple versions of these marks or there were several makers making the same piece. I'm also wondering if this article is implying that the urn is solid silver vs. what I believe mine to be plate.

 

So far as I know these silverplate marks and the variants haven't been firmly attributed, though personally, suspect they are marks used by F. & M. Weintraub after Gorham got a restraining order and took them to court for trademark infringement.



Note description of marks on the piece in the article posted by Debora, including the turned Old English 'G', seen in the Gorham notice above, as well as in Weintraub marks in the link below:




Some Weintraub marks:

https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52069



Some 'ram' marks:

https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62600


~Cheryl

 

Trying to reconcile the period attribution from the reference Debora provided where the theory is that the urn is Federalist/Early 19th C American vs. the last link from Cheryl above to the discussion on the pseudo marks on my piece where the opinions are that the marks are early 20th C.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Magazine_of_Art/BFjrAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq="alos+et+audax"+crest+motto&pg=PA443&printsec=frontcover

vs.

https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62600

Any opinions on this?

 

It's a 1928 article with incorrect opinions and assumptions offered - it's a different world these days for research and exchange of information...

~Cheryl

 

That’s interesting! Gorham imitating English marks and FMW imitating Gorham marks. Highest form of flattery I guess.