Featured Vienna? Porcelain plates

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by John Brassey, Aug 2, 2020 at 5:32 AM.

  1. John Brassey

    John Brassey Active Member

    A8C3EEDB-50B5-4F3D-8462-F184D0C2E3B3.jpeg 5317A627-BCDA-4685-BB54-2FEB883130F8.jpeg 347C677B-4815-4619-832B-47D70BF9EDC7.jpeg EE2BE122-3AFF-421E-86AE-C2EE1AE3AD23.jpeg I just received two of these lovely hand painted porcelain plates bought on eBay.

    They are very fine and have the Vienna shield mark but it is more underglaze grey than blue. My Röntgen book shows very similar marks with artists’ numerals in red but not in green.

    Any thoughts? The quality of the painting makes me think Vienna mid 19th c
     
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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    OOOH, SWEET!!!! But, sorry, can't otherwise help!
     
  3. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

    I haven't tried looking too far as the beehive/bildenshield was used so many places. I didn't find any ID yet but I was wondering if you've examined your plates with magnification. They have the look of transfer or printing in some places to my eye.

    I did find this plate with what looks like the same mark. I'm thinking that her's is a transfer/print or combination of processes but there is no close up good enough to tell. No help I'm sure.

    https://www.kattscuriocabinet.net/listing/266411038/antique-royal-vienna-cabinet-plate

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  4. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Really beautiful plates ...envious!
     
  5. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    I, too, was thinking the the gold was hand painted and the rest transfer. No help with the maker, though.
     
  6. John Brassey

    John Brassey Active Member

    Pretty sure all hand painted but i will have a good look with magnifying glass when home tomorrow.
     
  7. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

  8. John Brassey

    John Brassey Active Member

  9. Vell

    Vell New Member

    Hey!

    Very nice piece, but not Royal Vienna. There should be numbers printed in porcelain. They are standing for the year.(three numbers) And a number for porcelain "white turner".(Dont know, how to call it better, english is not my motherlanguage. Someone, who created and the white porcelain piece).

    Indeed this plate do has painter number, but I think it is from some small manufacture.

    Greetings
     
  10. John Brassey

    John Brassey Active Member

    Yes you are right. I am going to sell them as Continental not Vienna
     
  11. John Brassey

    John Brassey Active Member

    When I compare those two pictures they do look identical. If they are printed it's a very clever print as with magnification there appears to be brushstrokes and no dots! I'm going to have another look.
     
  12. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

    I still am wondering if these aren't from a print source. These are images from your two plates and one from a plate from another source. I find it hard to imagine that even a good artist could replicate the image so precisely on different items from different places. The border images are slightly different shape but otherwise seem so like.

    I did pull up some info on printing types (though from British sources).

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    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/royal-vienna-cobalt-blue-10-4-game-1907913867


    http://printedbritishpotteryandporc...pes/overglaze/printing-on-porcelain-1800-1900

    http://printedbritishpotteryandporcelain.com/how-was-it-made/lithographic-printing

    http://printedbritishpotteryandporc...color-printed-multi-color-printed-earthenware
     
  13. John Brassey

    John Brassey Active Member

    Thanks. You are right. They couldn't be copied to so identically. They must be prints. They are extremely well done. I've been collecting and buying ceramics for
    over thirty years and have always felt that I could always tell the difference. Will sell as printed.
     
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  14. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly STAY SAFE The worst prison is a closed heart

    You're not the only one. There are also the combination of print with wash and hand painted portions (such as gilding). Clear as mud:confused:
     
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