Featured What about this set of stearling tea set? William IV?? Authentic? Thanks

Need to ID if this set is authentic. Thanks

 

Others who know something will be along, but the ivory heat buffers on the handles of the pot & their evident age look promising to me, supporting evidence for the marks.

 

http://www.925-1000.com/british_marks.html

London mark


Possibly James Wintle mark early 1800s.

 

I think it has been clobbered. The hallmark is pre 1820, (crowned leopard for London) but the style is madly out of period. An original Regency period piece would be plain, or relatively so, the style of that time was restrained elegance.

 

@afantiques Thank you for your reply, I don't quite understand what you mean clobbered? Is that set fake? I was told this set is 1836.

 

If you are not familiar with the trade term 'clobbered', it means an early plain style piece that has, in the High Victorian period around the 1860s - 70s, been decorated to suit the desired style of the day.
The decorator has gone balls out crazy with this set.
How appealing the style is is a matter of choice now. Purists would shun it because it is not original, but personal taste might prefer the over the top look. It certainly looks opulent and the amount of work involved is impressive.

Nowadays the silver market would rate the value as less than its value as an original Georgian set. I would expect the unclobberd set to fetch two or three times its metal value in an auction, whereas I'd be expecting to pay not much over silver value for this.

Retail prices for silver from specialist silver dealers tend to double or more what you can buy at auction for. They do like to make a living.

My comments are based on the UK silver market, things may be entirely different wherever you are. It looks like there are about 60 to 70 ounces there. A good chunk of change just for the scrap value.

 

@afantiques Thank you for helping me with that. The total weight is 97 OZ. So this set is a replica? Is that right? Thanks.

 

Looks like 1820 to me. No way could it be 1836. That leopard is crowned. Distrust anything else your 1836 source told you.

 

Heavier than my estimate but quite reasonable.
Re-read my explanation. It is not a replica.

 

I would LOVE to know more about that set!!! I think looking at it, it is fascinating!!!! I REALLY like the figures on the sugar bowl handle, the serpents heads (?) on the spigots/spouts of the coffee pot and the tea pot....the ornateness of the whole pattern and set!!!! LOVE it!!!!! I too would like to understand what @afantiques said, and don't understand the strange random tooling on the underside (?) above where the hallmarks are??? (red arrows).....Kind of looks like someone just randomly tapped away with various tools, and the mark next to the lion looks to me kind of like a 'court jester'......could that be correct???????

AND, I see Afantiques has just explained the term "clobbered", which I too had never heard before!! Thank you Af!!

 

Thank you.
I really cannot see clearly the two markings



It seems they are from different period, they have different marks on the bottom. I will upload more pics on the back. this is the marking of sugar bowl.

 

Mark of coffee pot

 

marking of tea pot

 

marking of creamer

 

My apologies, most of it is 1836, only the first mark is 1820. The court jester is the crowned leopard head. The later pieces have the head uncrowned, very different. The maker is the same, it may be that the original owner went back for more pieces when their fortunes improved. The other mark you cannot see

 

Sorry, I thought I had replied but forgot to hit'Post'.
@Ownedbybear may have something to say about this set.

 

If I am understanding what is being said here then this set is not a replica, it is a genuine Georgian silver set that at a later date was decorated to that day's taste. So it is genuine Georgian but not in original condition.

afantiques, do I have that right?

BTW, this is a really interesting discussion! I have never heard clobbered either!!

 

Thank you all for your information and help. Really appreciate your help!

 

Neither had I, with that meaning. I only knew clabbered. With the number of taps it took to convert a restrained set into this, it has been clobbered in the usual sense as well!

 

When I Google 'regency silver tea set' I get a mix of images. Some are very spare with angular handles, almost art deco, & some are very ornate, like this one.