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  1. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    This textile measures 62" wide by 80" long. It is two pieces sewn together, each 31" wide. The ends are folded under and sewn. It is heavy - but not really heavy enough for a rug.

    At first I thought Middle Eastern, but I can't find anything like this by using that term.

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  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

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  3. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Thanks cluttered. I don't see the same colors or the same shapes in that link though. :(
     
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  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    My best guess would be Guatemala.

    Debora

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  6. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I am also thinking Guatemalan/Mayan. Narrow pieces sewn together often points toward their having been woven on a backstrap loom - the width limited by how far the weaver can comfortably reach.
    Can you tell what the fibers are? And is there any special treatment at the seam joining the 2 pieces?
     
  7. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    My first thought was Mexican, but the way of weaving made me doubt
     
  8. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    With respect to all:I don’t have time to research right now and I’m overall a rug moron with some knowledge (really kilims and Navajos) and I can’t get past agreeing with the OP and seeing Moroccan. Specifically Moroccan. I don’t know and don’t have time to research right now but before you eliminate it check it out.

    EDIT LOL Nope have to agree with the others as Guatemalan even though there is something so “Middle East/N African“ to me but now that I look at it I think I’m seeing stepped pyramids LOL so has to be Latin American and Guatemala definitely does that kind of stripping. I think this piece is great looking.
     
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  9. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Okay - I did a burn test. I think it's wool, or alpaca, or llama.

    The two pieces are whip stitched together. If you didn't know to look for it, you wouldn't even see the seam.
     
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  10. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Close but no cigar.
    O well:)
     
  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    To add to the confusion, I thought southern Balkans (including Greece).:bag:
     
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  12. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Well, that might push it into South America - Andean. They used similar techniques. It would be described as a warp-faced fabric (the warp is packed so tightly that it forms the visible surface, while the weft is hidden), with supplementary/substitution warps to form the patterns (this method creates the long "floats" on the back of the textile). Cotton is traditional in Guatemala, although @Taupou has explained that wool yarn has been introduced and is also used. But this looks like fine hand spun, single ply yarn, which I would expect to be more typical of Andean traditions.
     
  13. April07

    April07 Well-Known Member

    I am seeing that in bedouin rugs they typically connect two pieces together. And they are woolen
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    They do that in many areas where they have narrow looms. Often hip looms, but not always.
     
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  15. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Yes true but there was something about that pattern.

    Fascinated that AJ said Greece as I can see that too. It’s more kilimish which is why I strayed from Latin.Am I seeing pyramids in that pattern? If so can’t be Greece. Or is it just a stepped design but I see a doorway.
     
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  16. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Yes true but there was something about that pattern.

    Niw I’m fascinated that AJ said Greece as I can see that too. It’s more kilimish which is why I strayed from Latin.Am I seeing pyramids in that pattern? If so can’t be Greece
    Blowing up I don’t think I see pyramidal shapes. I don’t know what I see.See Greek key (and dead people). I’m back to kilimish. It never read Latin to me but couldn’t demy thinking I saw a pyramidal shape.
     
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  17. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Here's another picture - I don't know if it will help.

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  18. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Really interested in a definitive answer but I can’t get past a non Latin vibe.
     
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  19. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    @Bookahtoo - Let me double-check. I have been assuming the stripes run parallel to the selvage edges, i.e. in the warp direction. And that the seam runs parallel to the stripes, selvage edge to selvage edge. Is that correct?
     
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