Who am I? Greek mythology mystery woman in this brooch

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Marko, Jul 30, 2016.

  1. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    I found this at a thrift for 50 cents yesterday. I have researched it for hours. I know the male figure is Hermes/Mercury, but who could the female figure be? I don't think it is Athena/Minerva, only because the figure is depicted nude. The figure is holding a pole axe; my only guess is that the female could be Iris, female messenger of the gods.

    The intaglio? is carved from the top; the back is faceted; it is set in goldtone metal, no markings. I am wondering if it is Venetian glass.

    Has anyone seen this particular carving/art depiction before?

    Thanks. Hermes Brooch.jpg
     
  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Owww...how naughty !!
    I think Mercury had a lot of randy girlfriends !!!:hilarious:
     
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  3. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    I vote for Iris. She is pictured with a thingie like that, sometimes nude. Since Mercury and she were the Gods messengers, they make a nice pair.
     
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  4. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

  5. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Hmmmmmm... the seller says she thinks it is Aphrodite... I'm sill fond of the Iris hypothesis, although I did read that Mercury seduced Aphrodite...
     
  6. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Visiting the link Hollyblue provided, here is a picture from that site of a similar pendant and how the seller turned it into a silver pendant- wow!
    hermes aphrodite.jpg
     
  7. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I have not found any goddess connected with Hermes who carried a weapon except for Athena. And she carried a spear, not whatever that is. (She and Hermes were said to be siblings.) However, it's probably not her, as Marko mentioned. She always wears a helmet and it's unlikely that she would be depicted in the nude.

    It seems most likely to be Aphrodite, although that weapon is way out of place.

    I don't find any myths that connect Iris with Hermes. Yes, they were both messengers. Her main attribute was the rainbow, though. Once again, no staff or weapon.

    So I think it most likely that this is an inaccurate depiction of Hermes with Aprodite. She might just be holding the weapon for visual balance in the image. But this could be wrong.
     
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  8. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    And is that a fish at the bottom of the cast silver one?? HA!!! I like them ALL!!!!!
    Edit: Also, is that true...."precious metal clay that turns to .999 pure silver after firing in a kiln"????? WHO knew????
     
  9. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Iris does carry a figure-eight thingie like that in some pieces, but I'm leaning towards Aphrodite just out of the frequent pairing b of the couple.
     
  10. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Yes there is precious metal clay. I have seen it before.
    greg
     
  11. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

  12. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Thanks Greg, I love the stuff I learn here!!! I just have to remember it!!!:happy::happy::happy::happy:
     
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  13. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Maybe Aphrodite showed up wearing some of Ares gear- those two were quite the pair.
     
  14. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Hmmmm..... looking at the silver casting, it seems the female figure is wearing limited clothing.... armor breast plate? Short skirt? If so, I vote Athena.....
     
  15. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    BTW, seeing Aphrodite/Venus carrying on with someone, sitting on someone's knee, I feel the male should be Mars/Ares. In Greek mythology the adulerous affair of Aphrodite and Mars is depicted numerous times in art. I have tried and tried to make this male be Mars rather tham Mercury/Hermes, but with that winged helmut, there is no doubt that the maker intented it to be Hermes.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(mythology)#/media/File:Mars_and_Venus_MAN_Napoli_Inv9248.jpg

    --- Susan
     
  16. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Oops, Marko beat me to the punch on Mars!

    --- Susan
     
  17. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Besides the winged helmet, he carries the cadduesus staff.
     
  18. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    BTW, Aphrodite and Mercury/Hernes did have an affair or rather she was seduced by him. They had a child called Hermaphroditus. The child was originally a he, but later was transformed into an androgyny!

    --- Susan
     
  19. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Both Aphrodite and Hermes got around. :) That link to the cufflinks is great! I cannot find this depiction in the art world anywhere, even though the cufflink box mentions the word "museum."
     
  20. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    I googled "Museum Masterpiece Cufflinks" and see there are a few depictions of this scene in different types of cufflinks. I can't believe I passed up pair of Dante Museum Collection cufflinks (not this scene, another one) at an antique mall for $9.
     
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