Featured WMF Sugar? Bowl Mark Questions

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Bakersgma, May 9, 2015.

  1. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I picked this up for $4 at a yard sale this morning. I didn't have a magnifier with me, but the sun was bright and I could read the GERMANY and see the other smaller marks, leading me to think it WMF (confirmed with supermacro setting on the camera.)

    What I don't know, despite looking at the WMF mark info on both silvercollection.it and ASCAS is what the K and lower case "i" stand for. It looks like the beehive and the I/O were double-struck. Is that i something else? Without a g to with it (meaning gilt interior which it does appear to have) I have no idea.

    WMF Bowl or Sauce 1.jpg

    WMF Sugar Bowl Marks 1.jpg
     
  2. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Wellll, Sue, I haven't had any luck in IDing the "K" or "i." I have looked at a good 1/2 dozen webpages with WMF marks as well as pages with their pewter and copper marks. I tried finding a WMF artist, designer, that might use the letter K, nothing. As the "K" is in a square like their "B" for Britannia metal, I thought of a possible base metal. I did see that cutlery made during the 3rd Reich sometimes was "pot metal" as a base metal. In German pot metal was called Kreigsmetall = War metal. "K" might have stood for Kreugsmetall; however, this bowl certainly doesn't look like its base metal is "pot metal." Also I could find no examples of WMC using pot metal.

    That might not be a lower case i. It might be the number "1" double stamped like the beehive and the I/O???

    --- Susan
     
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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Thank you for giving it your all, Susan! I had also seen the B for Britannia, and in fact thought it looked like a B until I took the picture.

    I've gone back and looked at the "i" or 1 or whatever it might be if partial or double struck and still can't make heads or tails of it.

    I'm hoping that Fid might drop in and have some wisdom to share.
     
  4. FlyingButtonRanch

    FlyingButtonRanch Crazy for old clothes buttons!

  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Thanks for looking, FBR. But as Ladybranch and I were saying the extra marks - The K and the lower case I are not mentioned there or on any of the other mark sites with WMF info that we know of.
     
  6. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    FBR, I and am sure Baker have both looked at that page. I could not find any of the WMF markings on that page with a "K" in a square or a lower case "i" pictured with their marks. No doubt I've missed sonething on that page, please tell me where on that page is there a pic of their mark with a"K" in a square? Baker knows the WMF logo markings, but didn't kniw about the "K."

    Here a few of the pages I looked at:

    http://www.ascasonline.org/windowFEBBRA105.html
    http://www.ascasonline.org/windowAGOST63.html
    http://www.silvercollection.it/WMF.html
    http://www.smpub.com/ubb/images/03/21-0449-wmfmarks.html
    http://20thcenturyredux.com/WMF/WMF_Backstamps.html
    http://www.senses-artnouveau.com/biography.php?artist=WMF
    http://www.oldcopper.org/wmf.htm
    http://www.pewterbank.com/WMF_Marks_and_part_of_the_story....12.pdf

    --- Susan
     
  7. fidbald

    fidbald Well-Known Member

    JMHO.
    I exclude Kriegsmetall fo two reasons. a) not a selling argument you'd stamp on your products. b) too uneven in quality and alloy (contains aluminum as well) and therefore nigh to impossible to gild.
    at the moment I tend to either Kunstanstalt or rather a model by and made by Köhler for WMF.
     
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  8. FlyingButtonRanch

    FlyingButtonRanch Crazy for old clothes buttons!

    *head slap* :shame: Sorry! Missed reading that the "K" and "i" was a missing link. Maybe it was that 2nd glass of wine. LOL Well, it's a lovely piece!

    Is there a secondary factory stamp anywhere on the underside/inside handle or inside the foot rim?

    The K or "i" could just be an I.D. of one of the several factories in other countries, or other companies they acquired like Albert Kohler. Records are sketchy for those companies. Also K could maybe be a repair stamp mark for work done by Kohler later?

    There is a WMF copper piece on Trocadero in copper that had a K under the plain diamond and Ostrich version of the company mark, but it wasn't in a square punch. Nothing was mentioned about what the "K" signified. There is a closeup of the stamp. http://www.trocadero.com/stores/Hacienda/items/824008/item824008.html

    Oh, and good morning!
    Cheers,
    FBR
     
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  9. fidbald

    fidbald Well-Known Member

    ahajajaja, the K could be for Kupfer on the one on trocadero. but not sure if they used copper and then silver and then gold on the same piece.
     
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  10. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Good morning, Fid and FBR!

    Fid - I was so hoping that you would drop in. :) So, that K is not a one-off, but we don't really know its meaning, right?

    And the lower case I? Is there something else it might be?
     
  11. fidbald

    fidbald Well-Known Member

    does anybody know if there was a general importer for the states ? or if they worked for big stores states-side ?
     
  12. paul wallace

    paul wallace New Member

    i have a beehive oil burning kettle with tap it looks like brass but is silver coloured underneath its got wmf with g ostridge wooden handles and fancy legs, it has a screw flame controll and on the kettle it says imperial on a brass plaque, any ideas what this could be worth, can i retire yet
     
  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Probably not. But if you want more information about it you should start your own thread about it and attach pictures of both the kettle and the marks. :)
     
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