Pleas help identify 1938 bottles

Is it possible this is plaster of Paris?

 

It could be Iam not an expert Seems to be pretty hard

 

I don’t know if this helps.
http://www.waybacktimes.com/collecting/short-history-glass-bottles/attachment/bark-bottle/

 

As always, an enormous help. At least an explanation for the basic bottle.




http://www.ebay.com/itm/122968435006

 

https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen...arlachberg-gebirgs-enzian-souvenir-271004752/

with those lousy informations given bits by bits I do not see any reason to do further research. most probably the Pole is right and it's a post-WWII hoax.

 

My best guess (and it is a guess) is that it is a legitimate souvenir from Austria produced sometime between 1938 and 1945. As you state, tomreisn, there would have been virtually no market for it after the war and, therefore, no financial gain in producing it. I agree with Fid that there is not much need for further research. Most likely any records regarding its production are long gone and, as no further examples have appeared, it seems unlikely that many more copies of the bottle survived. It will need to stand on its own and the market will need to decide its value.
Don

 

Thanks a lot guys. Ok to all who seems to be "convinced" its a fake or hoax let me ask - now when its clear the bottle has to be authentic because of the very same/similar bottles that you can see above and if we consider that it is from the given period and in addition it has pictures of Austrian monuments:

• why would someone fake it after WW II?
• why it should be hoax, if in that time period was really Austria connected to Germany and there were even postcards and medals with same motto and swastika (becuase it was completly normal in that time)

Do you have any advice where they can possibly check if the engraves are "old" and real - to dispel all the doubts?

 

They seem to me like 'trench art' for officers who were still enjoying the good things away from the front lines. Instead of making an ashtray out of a shell casing, making something for the mantle out of a liquor bottle.

 

either ask Scharlachberg (probably out of business) or ask Grassl that have done similar bottles with sawdust putty around the bottle. simply considering it's from that period is wishful thinking; for me it looks 1950s or even later.
the well-known mottoes "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" -of course correctly written WITH COMMATA - , Volk will zu Volk (part of a book title) with small w in "will", the simple and rather senseless "Zum Reich" which was not used on its own etc. show - for me anyways - that it was done by some dunces in a shed that were NOT Germanspeakers.
furthermore I'd check the font.

 

That "Zum Reich" was used in its own I mentioned it here somewhere that I found one medal to the occasion of joining Austrian and German which has it...

The bottle looks same as the 1930s that someone posted here so why you think its 50 or later? It has even small bubbles in glas which suggest that is old glass because its common in old glass.

I need to mention that I ask one guy who collect old bottles and are very well known here. He didnt know the bottles but he didnt say anything taht it could be a fake.

Nevertheless my friend know some historians in the Museum so he will probably ask there for me.

 

as you are obviously neither English nor German, may I ask where you got those bottles from ? furthermore, which museum would you contact in what country ?
and about the bottles. the bubbles are no sign of age, especially when made for Schnapsbottles, because they are thrown away after emptying and in this case here probably made by a small Bavarian factory.
and please stop twisting words. nobody said the bottle is fake ! it's a simple bottle and nothing else ! or do you intend to make it the personal Bergenzian bottle of Göring when hunting in the Alps ?

if you were really interested in an eventual value and verification you could contact the Dorotheum in Vienna, the biggest auction house in Austria.

 

Thanks,

no I dont wanna make it anything like personal Göring bottle... Iam just simply curious about its origin. And because I have no intention to keep it I would like to sell it to some collector.

But it will be hard to do without some basic knowledge - like where is it from, who made it ect. That all leads also to some price estimation. Now I know some fact about it thanks to you guys but there are still some people (like on that wehrmacht-awards.com site) who just thinks its a "big fake" and honestly I would like to find out the truth because I dont want to sell or try to sell a fake (and beucase still Iam also curious too).

As for where I found it - I found it in the house of grandparents and our uncle. It was like a time conserve. Acording to some grandpa photos from 1930 there were still almost everything: same furniture, same old chandeliers, old french clock (also recognizable on the old photos from 1930s), also old photo cameras, lots of
correspondence even before 1900s but also during the war so some postrards or envelopes with stamps of the Third Reich. Also some really old documents even from 16 - 18 century (that was alredy donated to the museum in that place). Old tin soldiers and tin WW 1 tanks... All kind of really old bottles even from medicine. This two bottles were hidden in one old cabinet in a paper box.

Iam from Czech Republic, my grandma were from Austria. About that friend of my, his family is working on one museum nearby here so he will try to ask the local historians. Its some city near German borders.

 

even a reproduction has to get its inspiration from somewhere so its hard to tell without jar in hand. Either way that's an interesting bottle!

 

Have you asked on bottle collectors Forum?

 

Which one?

Anyway I made some better photos just if anyone is interested - not that you might probably find out more about it but....

Part of number 3 magnified by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Detail on 13. number by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Bubbles by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Picture by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Detail on bottle neck by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Detail on Marz by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Bottle by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Detail on wood by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Bottle by tomreisn posted Oct 21, 2018 at 4:32 PM

 

https://www.antique-bottles.net/forumdisplay.php?52-Bottle-Forums

I just googled this one. Maybe you can find some others.

 

Ok seems the Dorotheum in Vienna will not help (they wrote "Sorry, but we cannot help you with your research. We don’t ha0ve the specialist for these kind of objects.").

I will try the bottle forum as soon as someone there will come to life and approve my registration :-D

 

Haven’t read all the replies but my personal opinion is that the object was originally a legitimate bark bottle, with no glass etching. The faquirs got hold of it (them?) later and added the Nazi stuff.

 

Well anything is possible, but I personally do not think so becuase there would be no reason at all do this after the war (especially if you consider it was in country with communist regime from 1948 - 1989). And it was found in really old house with buch of old stuff back to 1900s or even older... but as I said anything is possible thats why I want to find out someone who can confirm or disprove the authenticity....

 

Please let us know the response from the bottle Forum.