Is This Minton or Cloisonne ?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Martin Freeman, Aug 4, 2025.

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Can someone please help me out ? Is This a 1863 Tin-glazed Victorian majolica metal base ?

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  1. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is Japanese Ginbari enamel, very beautiful. Ginbari is enameling over silver foil, which creates that shimmering effect.
    The fish are probably cloisonné on ginbari. Cloisonné involves soldering metal wire 'walls' on a metal base and filling the wires with enamel.
    Ginbari is not cheap.
     
  2. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous, and I'm not partial to fish!
     
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  3. Thank you for your reponse, whats was confusing me was the mark on the bottom which looks like a minton Mark from 1863
     
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  4. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    That is a Japanese mark. That's all I can say as I can't see it very well.
    Mikey
     
  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

  6. Thank you Mikey, i have checked the minton 1863 mark and is exactly the same. that is what is confusing
     
  7. Screenshot 2025-08-04 at 18-38-37 Antique Minton Marks and Dating Minton Porcelain -.png This is from the Minton
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is a coincidence, a pretty basic shape. I understand that it can be confusing, especially if you usually buy ceramics, but that is where you start looking at the item itself, which can't possibly be Minton.
    - It isn't ceramic.
    - It is metal.
    - It is enamelled.
    - The decoration is much more subtle and 'economic' than on Minton ware.
     
  9. Thank you very much for the information, i can see now what you mean, it was originally from my great auntie, handed down to my mother so i know it is oldish, i love it and im interested to know what it is
     
  10. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    I think I found it! The mark is for Hayashi Kodenji.
    Which makes it very old and rare.
    Mikey
     
  11. Hi Mikey yes i believe you are correct as it is the very same Mark on the base of vase, i got this image from the sothebys website.
    Thank you very much
     
  12. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

  13. Thank you, to be honest ive never been on a forum before, a friend of mine encouraged me as i showed him the vase, so he advised me to get advice from the real people who know there stuff, is very interesting so far.
     
  14. Born2it

    Born2it Well-Known Member

    The Minton mark interior lines curve the opposite direction to the ones on this vase.

    Your great Aunt apparently had excellent taste.

    This lovely piece would be a treasure even if its selling price was nominal.

    Welcome aboard! I forgive you for introducing me to yet another category of things to covet :)
     
  15. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    I have a thing for Ginbari cloisonne. Nothing as nice as this though. Except for one red one with silver mounts.
    Mikey
     
  16. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Looks like the 1863 mark in that list that you posted, @Martin Freeman!
     
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