Featured CAMEOS: Show & Tell or Ask & Answer

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Bronwen, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Yes, some of these violent removals are outright desecrations. These two were probably very pretty pieces that garnered many compliments for their wearers, once upon a time.

    Fun to see your Figment go from your imagination to finished product. Thanks for showing us. Figment & the hammer both have claws, but Figment has got teeth!
     
  2. Pica pica

    Pica pica Member

    It seems I misremembered slightly. This first one I am confident is Schmoll
    cameo1.jpg
    cameo2.jpg
    But this second one just looked to me like a "Schm" in the signature. I can't remember if this looks like one of his signature variations or if I am just seeing Schmoll in everything.
    cameo3.jpg
    cameo4.jpg
    Apologies if these have been posted before and I missed them.
     
  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Thanks Pica pica. Well, we're all very familiar with that first signature now. Monsieur Schmoll for sure. Have not seen this composition before, sort of the Annunciation with children, but he seems to have had a go at all sorts of scenes. I suspect some are his own imagination.

    The second one, a jazzy Toilet of Venus, I'm inclined to think is 20th century work. I can see how that signature is easily read as Schmoll, or almost Schmoll.

    upload_2026-7-10_9-10-35.png
    (I tried looking at this one the other way up, but I think the way you show it is correct.)

    Here's an example of how Schmoll wrote it, when he wrote all of it:

    Schmoll Dionysus 2B adj.jpg

    The one thing about Schmoll's signature that is quite consistent across all variations is the way he made his upper case S, so I think we have to assign Venus to someone else. It's going to bedevil me, trying to think who that could be. Inviting all comers to take a crack at it.
     
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  4. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    Possibly Alhm...? But it makes no sense. :confused:
     
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  5. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    All I know is this looks like Cupid bringing Venus her pickleball raquet.
     
  6. Snowman Cometh

    Snowman Cometh Well-Known Member

    I'll just say both are beautiful.
     
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  7. Pica pica

    Pica pica Member

    Cameo1.jpg
    Cameo2.jpg
    I hope these are ok :)
     
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  8. Pica pica

    Pica pica Member

    I also got photos of my smallest cameo. It is around 2cm in height. I am still unsure on subject, material and age despite my best efforts!
    Cameo3.jpg
    Cameo4.JPG
     
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  9. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Those are perfect. I just wanted to satisfy myself that the cameo is banded agate & not glass. The French made good quality glass cameos in this red/lavender/white color combo, but your photos show the irregularity in the width of the bands that indicate natural material. One of the telltale features of glass is the evenness of the layers.
     
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  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The way the cameo is set is consistent with brooches dating to the earlier half of the 19th century. I think the subject is derived from the head of the Trojan priest Laocoön from the famous sculpture, seen from a different side than the one in this photo (& with considerably less hair):

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    It is difficult to ascertain the material from a photo. It looks to me like it is conch shell, which can be all white like this.
     
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  11. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    Just wanted to say, this thread is fantastic! I have learned so much and have been proud to post a few nice cameos I have found. Thank you @Bronwen :)
     
  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    :happy::happy::kiss::kiss: Too bad there's no cameo emoji.

    When it first became possible to search using an image, years ago, well before Lens, if I gave it a photo of a cameo to search for, it would come back with a whole page of pictures of whipped cream topped desserts. But we know there are other delights. ;)
     
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  13. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    And no, we don't mean Herb Alpert!
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

  15. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    ...coming soon to every thrift store and tag sale near you!
     
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  16. Pica pica

    Pica pica Member

    Ah that does look like a very good match. I had spent a long time scratching my head over this so thank you.
    This was my inkling. On the neck you can see darker veins going across the surface which I believe is a characteristic of conch. However, I've only ever seen conch in pictures and so I am not very confident in identifying it. Thank you so much for your help!
     
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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    If the back were exposed to examination, we would have more clues about the material.

    This is my attempt to help in the differentiation of conch shell from coral:

    https://cameotimes.com/index.php/reference/materials-guide?start=1

    Taken from the article:

    On the cheek and neck, this piece also exhibits the faint striations not infrequently seen on conch cameos. While having the appearance of fine cracks or scratches that have become discolored, a fingernail will not catch in them and no amount of cleaning diminishes their appearance. Running nearly straight and in parallel, they probably mark growth increments and so are further evidence that the material is molusk-produced rather than coral.
     
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