Featured please id&date this oriental porcelain plate

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Gianluca72, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hellow :)

    i'd like to id and date this nice oriental plate in polychrome decorated porcelain... it's marked on bottom ... by the style i think it's chinese ... ?
    I'm not so clever with Gotheborg :)

    Diameter cm 27

    Thanks to you all, as usual :)

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  2. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    Zhogguo Zhi Zao=China Made, second half of 20th century, per gotheborg. You have to turn it counterclockwise a quarter.
     
  3. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    WOW thanks a lot you found it immediately .
    I send you a screenshot, please when you have time could you tell me which of these marks could be? :) thanks

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  4. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    Oh, gosh, any of the first five, all the same time frame, just differences in handwriting.
     
  5. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Thanks a lot
     
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  6. mmarco102

    mmarco102 Well-Known Member

    5th one down is almost a perfect match. Hard not to see that.
     
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  7. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    @mmarco102 , thanks for your help, i can see it infact, but i was wondering if it could be that one or not, because inside that mark there is a cross, while mine has not.
     
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  8. mmarco102

    mmarco102 Well-Known Member

    I’m pretty sure they did not have copy and paste back then. ;)
     
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  9. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Lol I grasped the concept
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  10. Silver Wolf

    Silver Wolf Well-Known Member

    "zhong guo" name was use after china became republic country in 1912,so any marks start with zhong guo is definetely made above 1912 ,actually there're 2 way how zhong guo word was written,the old one is
    中國 - this is was used before 1949 (traditional chinese)

    中国 - this is was use after 1949 (simplified chinese)

    so yours definetely was from 1912-1948s
     
  11. mmarco102

    mmarco102 Well-Known Member


    Very good information, :)
     
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  12. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Wow, this sounds so good for me, thanks a lot for your very precious info
    :)
     
  13. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hello @Silver Wolf
    i posted on sell next catawiki this plates and the expert Sarah Le Helley wrote :
    "Dear Sir or Madam, From the images, these date to 1950/1970"

    Then, a bit delused, i wrote what you explained to me, pasting your answer as the following :

    "Dear Sarah Le Helley Ok i removed the reserve price as you requested. But these are not 1950/1970. As i wrote in the description "zhong guo" name was use after china became republic country in 1912, so any marks start with zhong guo is definetely made above 1912 , actually there're 2 way how zhong guo word was written, the old one is 中國 - used before 1949 (traditional chinese) and 中国 - used after 1949 (simplified chinese) so these plates were definetely made between 1912 and 1948. Thanks and best regards"

    And the she replied :

    "Dear Sir or Madam, Thank you for your reply and for removing the reserve price. Please look carefully at the base mark, these were likely printed, and this mark was used during the Cultural Revolution period (1966-1976) - even with 'guo' in the traditional form. Please refer to: http://gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturychina.shtml numbers 267 and 501. Kind regards."

    What do you think ? Is she right or wrong ?

    Thanks for your precious support, actually i'm pending from your answer lol :)
     
  14. Silver Wolf

    Silver Wolf Well-Known Member

    hello gianluca,sorry i've been busy recently.if i seeing your plate carefully i don't think it was printed but yes it was made for mass production so you can notice that the colour and the image is not detailed and little bit clumsy.And for what she said about the zhong guo mark is right,after 50's they're still make some decoration with old zhongguo mark,but i think i'll stick with 1950-1960s
     
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  15. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Hello @Silver Wolf :)
    Thanks a lot for your reply, and your explanation, ok I'll edit my description following her disposals.
    Merry Christmas to you and to all the forum!
     
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  16. Silver Wolf

    Silver Wolf Well-Known Member

    merry christmas to you and all too
     
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