Featured Chinese bowl identification

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Deux Coeurs, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. Deux Coeurs

    Deux Coeurs Well-Known Member

    It's me again! I need help identifying this small bowl (4.25"). The paper in the photo came with it (it was an estate auction of an elderly couple that were collectors) but after researching it, the description on the paper just doesn't make sense to me. If anyone has any input I'd love to hear it! Also, the mark (signature?) next to the painted one is actually etched into the bowl. 20200116_141950.jpg 20200116_141927.jpg 20200116_142002.jpg 20200116_142007.jpg 20200116_222723.jpg
     
  2. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    Hummm....the armorial part has me stumped....Arm of Ingles? But this doesn't have a coat of arms? It is Chinese… it is a bowl... it is 4.25 " (I assume you remeasured it...lol)… but ya got me...
     
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  3. Deux Coeurs

    Deux Coeurs Well-Known Member

    Lol...exactly! That paper makes absolutely no sense.
     
  4. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    Maybe someone saw the Chinese bowl...didn't know what they were looking for (because Lowestaft doesn't look Chinese...more English...and perhaps they didn't understand armorial???
     
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  5. Deux Coeurs

    Deux Coeurs Well-Known Member

    That sounds like a very likely possibility.
     
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  6. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    Brown unglazed bottom...thick glaze...pinpoint air bubbles...Song dynasty? Looks like it was glazed upside down as well....
     
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  7. Deux Coeurs

    Deux Coeurs Well-Known Member

    I honestly have no idea. While I absolutely love Chinese/Japanese pottery, I know very little about it. However, I definitely know that neither armorial or Lowenstoft fit the description. So your guess is as good as mine!
     
  8. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    Others should be by soon. I am not an expert...dabble in collecting...but hopefully someone more knowledgeable will get you an answer!
     
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  9. Deux Coeurs

    Deux Coeurs Well-Known Member

    Thank you!
     
  10. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    For a while back there, some Chinese wares were sometimes known as Lowestoft, mainly due to Lowestoft porcelain's resemblance - we don't hear that term so much anymore, but back in the 1950's it was quite common to see Chinese export listed as Lowestoft.

    The note, however, was probably with another piece and somehow got mixed in with your bowl by mistake, as your bowl is a domestic ware dating to the mid 19thc. The mark inside, which I refer to as a "chip mark" is an owner's mark, chipped into the porcelain with a sharp point by the owner.

    Often these owner's marks are put on the wares to identify the piece in a canteen or work camp situation, where the bowls would be used in a communal setting. Many Chinese bowls with owner's marks are found in old mining or railroad construction camp sites.
     
  11. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    The paper is indeed not related to the bowl, which is 19th c "kitchen Qing" IMO. The incised letter is likely a kind of owner's mark. But haha, I see that blooey said that already, I do not know how I missed that comment.
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Nice bowl, Deux Coeurs, I love this style.
    I agree with Mat, it is so-called Kitchen Qing, made for export to Southeast Asia in Zhangzhou (Swatow) in coastal China.
    This particular type is called Batik Ware, because the splashes of the design look like the wax blotches on Indonesian and Malaysian batik textiles.

    Now you will have to search for the Lowestoft armorial bowl.;)
     
  13. Deux Coeurs

    Deux Coeurs Well-Known Member

    Thank you everyone! I'm very happy that you confirmed my suspicions; I was losing my mind trying to piece things together . As a side note I'm aware that there's not an N in Lowestoft...I'll chalk that one up to being exhausted :happy:. Thank you again for your help; I'm very grateful I've found this site!
     
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  14. Silver Wolf

    Silver Wolf Well-Known Member

    alright,for me the decoration closer to ming dynasty blue white,but usually ming's ware they didn't left the bottom unglazed,so is this really that old,i'm thinking about late yuan or early ming dynasty,but for me the bottom looks little bit suspicious for the period and the style,and it somewhat confuse me about identified it :blackeye::blackeye::blackeye:
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Your suspicion is right, the base and footrim are Qing.;)
    The 'batik' designs have a long history though, which can be confusing.
     
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