Is this a print ? ( it's always a print )

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Hi everyone

Hope you all staying well .

So here I am again asking for your knowledgeable opinions on this I found in

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a big old warehouse at the docks in liverpool .
Iv looked and to be honest I have no clue if it is a print or not
I can not see a signuture.
But looks like it has some age all the same.


Thankyou in advance

 

A coaching scene. 1950s/1960s from the frame. And does appear to be a print. Have you done a Google Images search to see if you come up with a match?

Debora

 

I'm thinking it's a print - taken from this:

George Wright British, 1860-1942 Hunting Group Passing a Coach and Four

from:
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...sh-1860-1942-hunting-group-pa-15-c-93d446a804

 

If you are able to view the picture through a magnifying glass, or even take a very close up macro photograph of the picture, and if the picture is indeed a print, then you should see one of the below pattern options. If one of these patterns do not appear then it is a real painting/drawing and not a print.

Moire Effect



Diffusion Patterns

 

Ok, I'm dizzy now.

 

Found the Panda

 

These patterns appear in halftone prints. There are many other techniques used in producing prints - engraving, etching, lithography, wood block, etc., each with distinctive characteristics. Absence of halftone patterns does not mean it is an original drawing or painting.

 

Oh right.... True.... Sorry, I am a printer by trade and so forget other industries use the term for other mediums as well.

When i hear Print, I think of the styles of print plates as I outlined.

My post will indeed tell you if it is a 'modernish' print, though not those of the other styles of production 2manybooks has mentioned. I shall have to revise my post to include other means of print detection in future.

 

Regarding prints and originals, and the dot patterns:

My experience is with reproductions of Chinese artworks and might not be relevant in this case, but as a fait-divers might be of use as a reference in other cases.

The Chinese used to reproduce Chinese painting either using woodblock printing (douban technique, also called muban shuiyin) and coloban (colotype) and in both cases, no dot patterns are observable. Some were printed/reproduced on paper, some on silk.

A large number of old paintings displayed in museums, are not originals, but colotype prints. Up to the mid 1990s some such reproductions were even available for purchase at the museum shops (Beijing, Shanghai, for example.)

These days, with the ease of reproduction using digital scanning and photography, and access to high quality professional inkjet printing, these are also being used, and again, no dot patterns; and the result is an amazing lookalike that the untrained eye won't distinguish from the original, all the more because they can be printed on "Xuan zhi" (commonly called "rice paper" and other similar traditional support medium,) and backed and mounted using tradicional techniques.

The Japanese have also been using similar techniques and technology for a long time to reproduced paintings and calligraphy.

Just a side comment. Thought might be of interest to some on the forums.

 

It's so very oddly cropped, isn't it?

Debora

 

It is, at first I thought it was a tray.

 

You, divil, you!!!! GREAT....Not too many have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

@SBSVC, and @Vicky McFadden, Cropping the original & enhancing the colors to the print a wee bit, it HAS to be a print!!! JMHO!!!!!

 

I'm yet to see a modern day inkjet printing machine create works without a print pattern visible 'under magnification'. Would you happen to know a machine name so I may look this up. As I said earlier, I'm a printer, among others things, and would find it interesting to see how the machine works. I use extremely high resolution inkjet printers for production of artwork prints and even they produce those patterns, though I do realise there are other types of printing which do not produce those patterns.

 

Thankyou very helpful

 

You are probably right when you say that even high quality inkjet printers leave a pattern under magnification. I don't know of a machine name that may help you in your quest, sorry.
Woodblock printing is totally different from inkjet printing. A famous Chinese artist, QI Baushi, once was presented with his original painting and a woodblock print copy and could hardly tell which was which.
The coloban copies I have also do not show any dotted patterns, but I confess I never looked at them under magnification. Next time I unbox them I'll think of checking that out.
Now, my turn to ask, if you can spare a minute: what inkjets do you use for highest quality art/photo printing/reproductions? Eleven color/cartridge Epson printers? What models?
With what papers? An increasing number of artists these days are using inkjets rather than serigraphy, photo printing, etc., and some produce amazing results, yet, they lack body. As a printer, have you ever had people comment on this detail, and is there an alternative for it? Not an issue with photography, but for other artwork, it does make a big difference, as it results in the work feeling flat.

 

An older machine, yet still very good, is in use in an art Gallery down the road from me right now... They use an Epson Stylus 9880 Pro with Epson UltraChrome™ Ink to produce their prints.
When printing artwork pieces, go for archival quality paper stocks.
Here is a link to a good guide.
https://blog.breathingcolor.com/archival-quality/