Is this a print ? ( it's always a print )

Discussion in 'Art' started by Vicky McFadden, May 23, 2020 at 9:20 PM.

  1. Hi everyone

    Hope you all staying well .

    So here I am again asking for your knowledgeable opinions on this I found in a big old warehouse at the docks in liverpool .
    Iv looked and to be honest I have no clue if it is a print or not
    I can not see a signuture.
    But looks like it has some age all the same.

    Thankyou in advance
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  2. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    A coaching scene. 1950s/1960s from the frame. And does appear to be a print. Have you done a Google Images search to see if you come up with a match?

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  3. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

  4. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    If you are able to view the picture through a magnifying glass, or even take a very close up macro photograph of the picture, and if the picture is indeed a print, then you should see one of the below pattern options. If one of these patterns do not appear then it is a real painting/drawing and not a print.

    Moire Effect


    Diffusion Patterns
  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ok, I'm dizzy now.:wacky:
  6. Miscstuff

    Miscstuff Sometimesgetsitright

  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

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  8. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    These patterns appear in halftone prints. There are many other techniques used in producing prints - engraving, etching, lithography, wood block, etc., each with distinctive characteristics. Absence of halftone patterns does not mean it is an original drawing or painting.
  9. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    Oh right.... True.... Sorry, I am a printer by trade and so forget other industries use the term for other mediums as well.

    When i hear Print, I think of the styles of print plates as I outlined.

    My post will indeed tell you if it is a 'modernish' print, though not those of the other styles of production 2manybooks has mentioned. I shall have to revise my post to include other means of print detection in future.
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  10. JayBee

    JayBee Well-Known Member

    Regarding prints and originals, and the dot patterns:

    My experience is with reproductions of Chinese artworks and might not be relevant in this case, but as a fait-divers might be of use as a reference in other cases.

    The Chinese used to reproduce Chinese painting either using woodblock printing (douban technique, also called muban shuiyin) and coloban (colotype) and in both cases, no dot patterns are observable. Some were printed/reproduced on paper, some on silk.

    A large number of old paintings displayed in museums, are not originals, but colotype prints. Up to the mid 1990s some such reproductions were even available for purchase at the museum shops (Beijing, Shanghai, for example.)

    These days, with the ease of reproduction using digital scanning and photography, and access to high quality professional inkjet printing, these are also being used, and again, no dot patterns; and the result is an amazing lookalike that the untrained eye won't distinguish from the original, all the more because they can be printed on "Xuan zhi" (commonly called "rice paper" and other similar traditional support medium,) and backed and mounted using tradicional techniques.

    The Japanese have also been using similar techniques and technology for a long time to reproduced paintings and calligraphy.

    Just a side comment. Thought might be of interest to some on the forums.

  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    It's so very oddly cropped, isn't it?

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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is, at first I thought it was a tray.
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  13. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    You, divil, you!!!! GREAT....:D:D:D:DNot too many have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  14. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    @SBSVC, and @Vicky McFadden, Cropping the original & enhancing the colors to the print a wee bit, it HAS to be a print!!! JMHO!!!!!:rolleyes::smuggrin:

    Last edited: May 24, 2020 at 12:52 PM
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  15. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    I'm yet to see a modern day inkjet printing machine create works without a print pattern visible 'under magnification'. Would you happen to know a machine name so I may look this up. As I said earlier, I'm a printer, among others things, and would find it interesting to see how the machine works. I use extremely high resolution inkjet printers for production of artwork prints and even they produce those patterns, though I do realise there are other types of printing which do not produce those patterns.
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