Featured Opaline bowl vase

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Rec, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    Any ideas when this made and where?
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  2. wanderer

    wanderer Member

    Hi Rec,

    This lady reminds me of Isadora Duncan and Jacques-Dalcroze Rhythmic Gymnastics or ‘Eurhythmics’. So vase might be from around 1910, 1920.


    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/isadora-duncan-dance-pose-costume-1822680742


    “New school of choreography—perhaps that which some of the younger dancers have chosen either by accident or by roundabout ways—are the Jacques-Dalcroze Rhythmic Gymnastics or ‘Eurhythmics’ on the order of the ancient Greeks.”

    “It was about 1905, when the Swiss composer Dalcroze, who had been since 1892 a professor of harmony at the Geneva Conservatoire, first launched the movement. However, the systematic work of instruction by Dalcroze began in 1910, when the brothers Wolf and Harald Dohrn invited him to come to Dresden, where, in the suburb of Hellerau, they built for him a College of Rhythmic Gymnastics. From this time on the inventor of the new method began a systematic training of young men and women.”

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/59104/59104-h/59104-h.htm#ip_245

    Image from Dance.jpg

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/59104/59104-h/59104-h.htm#ip_245
     
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  3. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    The center figures are a badly applied decal. The rest has been hand painted, but not with the sort of delicate design I would expect from an art nouveau period piece. How large is this?
     
  4. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    thanks for watching. i appreciate your thoughts.
     
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  5. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    High: 17cm / 6,69inch
    bottom: 11,5 cm diameter / 4,53inch
    top: 16 cm diameter 6,3inch

    to me the cental figure looks transfer printed. what makes you think its a decal?
     
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  6. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    What is the difference between "transfer printed" and "decal" please ?
     
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  7. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I think the painted flowers are symbolistic of dogwood.
     
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  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Transfer and decal are the same thing in different countries.
     
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  9. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    I thought a decal has a plastic layer with an image printed on it that moves to another surface on contact with water.

    In transfer printing, an inked, engraved copper plate is used to make a print on paper and hold it against a glazed surface while it is still wet.
     
  10. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    I read that dogwood flowers are most often used as symbols of rebirth and closely connected to Christianity,. However, dogwood flowers are also connected to durability and the ability to withstand various challenges in life .

    are they used here as a symbolism of rebirth?
     
  11. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Thank you, I've just always referred to it as a decal, as the way it is applied, this one very messily.. The back painting is also very messily done. I don't know how "old" this piece actually is, as the result. It could be newer than expected and made in China.


    I don't think this vase is what it is projected to be, it's low quality in every way. I think it possible someone just took an opalescent glass vase, baked a decal on and painted around that. Even the green is too sloppy for Art Nouveau. I cannot comment on the various meanings of dogwood flowers, they appear to be a ruse here..
     
  12. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry but I don't share your opinion. what you call messy, I call spontaneous, freely painted. the apple green, magenta and orange color seem good for the late 19th to the early 20th century, as does the gold border at the bottom. Most new chinese vases have a common shape and this vase has not a common shape
     
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