I have a very unique vase with Staples

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Laura1969, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. Laura1969

    Laura1969 Active Member

    @Cherryhill those sound beautiful!! I had to look up Moser rainbow ewer. My mother always had it turned with the stapled facing the wall so I never knew it had been fixed. I'm certain it was probably fixed before she inherited it. I need to look at the lid closely and see if it's silver. If it is, I'm gonna polish it up
     
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  2. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's ttransfer print either. Staples weren't used much after the 20s, so it's at least that age.
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Another vote for no transfer print.
    Transfer prints were already used in the 19th century, btw, also in China.;)
     
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  4. Laura1969

    Laura1969 Active Member

    I have several vases / china. Some are smooth to touch and some are very textured. Is that how you know the difference between transfer and painted China?? I don't mean to sound like an idiot but when we say transfer, I think of a production print that is just stamped on China or jars?? Is that the case??
     
  5. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    it was a very busy day at work so I didn't have time to log in today.

    I want to refer you to the last paragraph.
    http://www.gotheborg.com/glossary/transferprinting.shtml

    http://www.lakesidepottery.com/Page...ottery-with-metal-staples-ancient-method.html
    Many staples are now machine made, strait and same size. but probably not those used for replacing staples in older reparis.
    Some examples of staple repairs, old and new:

    old: https://translate.googleusercontent...069527&usg=ALkJrhgDV2RjkNSuvNcrZG1txGRz42aWNQ

    New: https://translate.google.com/transl...ist/product/%E9%94%AF%E7%93%B7%E9%92%89_2.htm

    I misrepresented myself. what i wanted to say is that the many stamped then infilled elements are usually seen after 50's-60's.
     
  6. Laura1969

    Laura1969 Active Member

    That was a very interesting article. thank you very much for sharing that!!
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thank you, but I thought I had removed that last bit yesterday. I was having computer problems, so apparently not.
    None of that takes away from the more relevant fact that I see handpainting, as do several other people.
     
  8. tie.dye.cat

    tie.dye.cat Well-Known Member

    This looks like Macau made to me with that heavy enamel.

    I would say more likely mid-century than early 20th century, btw.

    Can't imagine why someone went to the trouble of fixing it as they're not generally worth all that much.
     
  9. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    do you mean the infilled areas?

    To be on the safe side, I would like to mention that hand painting is no guarantee that a porcelain is old or antique. even the porcelain made yesterday can be painted by hand. Labor is not expensive in China, so manual labor is still used.

    further
    this vase is quite large and I can well imagine that it also cost several hundred dollars at the time. so it's not surprising that the owner had the damage repaired instead of putting it in the bin
     
  10. Laura1969

    Laura1969 Active Member

    I polished the lid. I know it still doesn't match but I love the combination. I took some closer shots of parts of the vase so maybe it could be identified as painted or transfer. @Rec would comparing each of the dogs along the top be anymore telling?? 20201021_102929.jpg 20201021_102111.png 20201021_103148.png 20201021_103222.png
     
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  11. Laura1969

    Laura1969 Active Member

    I'm really not sure @tie.dye.cat .. I know it belonged to my grandparents. It could have been an anniversary or birthday gift and only repaired for sentimental reasons
     
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  12. tie.dye.cat

    tie.dye.cat Well-Known Member

    I definitely say handpainted as well.
     
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  13. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    nice job laura. I like it.
    and thank you for additional pictures. it is very helpfull. i can see the brushstrokes so there is definitifly some handpainted areas. but also many infilled area's . I still thnik your vase is from second half of the 20th century. but what i think is not important.you maybe better post your vase in this forum
    www.chinese-antique-porcelain.com or here http://gotheborg.com/
    it cost 10 or 20 dollar for 1 year but you get value for the money. please don't forget to let us know what they think of your vase. so we can learn


    This below is a 1950-60 era. You can find many of this type porcelain. its not bad quality and partly handpainted / infilled.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950-Bao-X...olls-People-s-Republic-of-China-/273947063309
    PS: its too high priced IMO
     
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    No need to state the obvious, Rec. I thought it was clear that I wasn't commenting on the age, but on the fact that you said it was a transfer, which I disagreed with.
     
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  15. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

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  16. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    is okay AJ.
    Perhaps you missed this part of mine explanation

     
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  17. Laura1969

    Laura1969 Active Member

    thank you so much!! I'm going to check out that website. I don't want to sell anything. I love it all and it makes me feel close to my mom but I am very curious about so many things. It sounds like that site would be very worth it to me!!! Thank you again. Is there a special word they use in pottery for the dogs that are sticking out from the vase??
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It looks like they are lugs, which you can pass a cord through. Laura, are there any cavities under the chins?
    They look like what is commonly referred to as Foo Dogs, in fact Foo Lions, for luck. Fu or Foo stands for good luck.

    You did a great job with the lid, btw.
     
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  19. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    try foo dogs
     
  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    ;)
     
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