Two Silver photo frames

I acquired these two silver frames but could only find the marking on the top one...
do the markings tell me a maker or the age? on the second one any suggestions for a hidden mark? My guess on age is mid 20th century
top one is 9x7" and the bottom is 5x6.5"

 

Did you look along the outer edge?

 

yes with a large magnifying glass, inside edge and designs as well. Another frame I got had the sterling mark incorporated into the design...I eventually found it....but not this one....

 

Is this just glare?

 

good thought but nothing there

 

The top frame looks like the plating is peeling off.

 

I thought the top one wasn't plate...which part looks like it is peeling...I will take a better photo of that section.

 

First one is Italian filled silver on the first mark - it's a very heavy plating. I'll find a cite for it, but any time from about the 60s onwards. Second mark is an Italian silver mark, which is odd. I surmise that part of the frame is silver, the rest filled/plated.

 

The Italian mark is from the region of Florence. The R mark for riempito or filled was introduced in 1999. That means it has a resin or mastic interior, covered with silver. In this case the silver is sterling, .925. The amount of silver is 7-10 grams.

 

Here's a citation for that first one. Italian "Riempito." The law cited here wasn't passed until 1999.

http://www.silvercollection.it/italianhallmarks.html

 

Did you see my post?

 

Ah,that late! My memory is fried.

 

Sorry, I did not. I was replying to OBB's mention above (although I did not quote it) and don't know why yours did not appear for me. I probably wasn't awake enough yet.

 

Thank you so much for the great information....I am here to learn and with this forum I learn every day.