Featured Trying to find age of this embroidery

Discussion in 'Textiles, Needle Arts, Clothing' started by Daniel oshaughnessy, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Daniel oshaughnessy

    Daniel oshaughnessy Active Member

    It was just tacked on for the backing...it is completely different from the embroidered pattern.
     
  2. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    But the printed backing was there when the embroidery was being done, yes? The embroidery thread goes through the stamped piece?
     
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  3. Daniel oshaughnessy

    Daniel oshaughnessy Active Member

    Yes it does.
     
  4. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    I miss 6rivets. :(

    While the padded stitch used throughout OP's piece is used in stumpwork, it's the most basic stumpwork stitch. Generally, if a piece is called stumpwork, people expect to see something with much more dimension. The padded bits serve more as background rather than focus.

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    I'm inclined to agree with the suggestion it could have been an accent pillow cover. It's definitely not top quality stitching, but it is pretty!
    I've no suggestions for age... this type of work is still being done and fine needlework threads in silk are still available. And I'm not well-versed enough to tell age from the thread colors. But it does look "old". :)
     
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  5. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    If it's a stamped/printed design (as opposed to something drawn on the fabric), then it's unlikely that the piece dates before early 20th century.

    Isn't that more of a contemporary expectation?

    She was the BEST for identifying fabrics. Just remarkable. And interesting. And fun. And I just liked her. *sigh*
     
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  6. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    I was under the impression that though older stumpwork certainly didn't look like the example I posted, and did rely more on padded stitching, it still had more dimension. Off to do some research!
     
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  7. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    6rivets was also on this site at the beginning... she left a few years ago, though. Some life changes were happening for her, if I remember correctly. ... All things pass away. I enjoyed her posts, too.
     
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  8. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Oh, I checked for her when I first arrived and then posted on her profile page. A month later, I sent her a PM on the ebay forums.

    Nothing yet, but I don't stop hoping. :happy:
     
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  9. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I also had a vague memory that she changed her user name here at some point. But 6rivets may have been the later name, or maybe she changed her name on the eBay boards. It's been a while!
     
  10. Daniel oshaughnessy

    Daniel oshaughnessy Active Member

    The backing is just a backing....the printed design has nothing to do with the embroidered design. I suppose it was used to create more stability in the piece. The embroidery threads do go through the printed fabric.
     
  11. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Right, but pre-stamped/printed patterns on fabric weren't a thing until early 20th century.

    Which means the embroidered design, even though unrelated, couldn't have been embroidered through that particular piece of backing until early 20th century.
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Bazinga !!!................ maybe....
     
  13. Daniel oshaughnessy

    Daniel oshaughnessy Active Member

    Take a look at this link....https://www.willowandthatch.com/regency-georgian-block-printed-fabrics-europe/

    Printed fabrics have been around a very long time. The backing on my embroidery looks like a block printed cotton to me and early.
     
  14. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Well yes, printed fabrics have been around for a long time.

    The print you have looks specifically like an embroidery pattern to me. But I am looking at photos and you have it hand, maybe it looks different in person.
     
  15. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    I'm just trying to understand this... I THINK what Jivvy is talking about is the pattern that's printed on the face of the top fabric (and shows thru to the back) as a guide to embroider. There appear to be places that weren't finished, as indicated here:
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    THAT printed "guide pattern" is meant to be "covered" with embroidery, and if I'm understanding correctly, it's also the indication that this piece is not as old as it may appear.
     
  16. Daniel oshaughnessy

    Daniel oshaughnessy Active Member

    OK....there are two pieces or layers of fabric, the silk and the printed cotton. it is simply a block printed cotton they used as a backing for the silk. The pattern on the backing layer has nothing to do with the embroidered design, it is not a guide pattern.
     
  17. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Okay, I understand. Thanks for clarifying.
     
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