Very old looking for any help on identifying. This is 24” x 32” oil on canvas.

Beautiful oil painting need some help.

 

I believe the signature is in this what looks to be painted over black area.

 

And you got it where? And they told you what?

Debora

 

It appears to be a (rough) copy of a Jan Breugel the Younger painting.

 

Hello Debora,

you amaze me always first of all thank you. I got this at an estate sale I asked for any info on it I could get. They said since they had no signature they did not know what it was worth. I do know it is very old could it be a Jan Bruegel?

 

I doubt it's a Jan Brueghel since the detail isn't there. Also probably not nearly as old. The nail heads are round and fairly consistent so probably post-1810 but sometime pre-1900. If you can't find any other less-intrusive dating methods, you could try popping out a nail from the stretcher to see if the shank is round or square.

Nails as clues to age (realorrepro.com)

Also, either the stretcher bars are warped from age or didn't fit that well to begin with. The bottom stretcher is fairly knotty so probably not higher end. I believe a more expensive stretcher would have been CVG.

 

The original is in the Kunsthistorisches Museum. Yours may very well be a museum copy. (Until not too long ago in the pre-postcard age, artists could set up easels in museums and work directly from an original which they then sold to the public.)

Debora

 

Hello Debora,

I am very happy with this information you and techbiker have provided. You guys are very helpful what a great group to be a part of thank you very much.

 

Joe, that is like asking if a painting could be a Rembrandt. If you ever found a true Jan Brueghel, you would be extremely lucky.

 

Anything is possible it has been done more than once. But thank you for you comment.

 

Is there a word written in the center of the top stretcher bar?

 

Joe-first of all,from your Pic,I must say You have a very noble profile.
Secondly,I'd hazard that this was most likely not an original Brueghel,or any other German or Dutch floral still life from the 16th or 17th century.In the best originals,the speckling on an apple,dewdrop on a leaf,and light glowing thru a petal is truly miraculous.Like comparing your 10 year old TV,to one of the new 3D Big Screens,maybe better.
It looks more to me like a 19th/early 20th century very ambitious study of an older piece.Like the way Van Gogh's early studies clumsily but vigorously strived to imitate old masters,before he found his amazing style (but,hold-on Joe,I'm not saying it's definitely a Van Gogh study). I do like the energy and vigor to it,could very well be,as Debora said-a fairly ambitious museum study.
But who knows,could be wrong-art's quite a trip.One painting could change your life,and your grandkids,and their grandkids-BIG find,and you'd have to start a Foundation !...'Tonight's Episode of Downton Abbey is Presented by the Generous Contribution of the J. Collura Fund & Viewers Like You'.