Featured 1600'S ENGLISH BIBLE BOX????

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  1. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    IMG_0154.jpg IMG_0155 (1).jpg IMG_0157 (1).jpg IMG_0158.jpg IMG_0159.jpg IMG_0160.jpg IMG_0161.jpg IMG_0162.jpg IMG_0163.jpg Hi everyone. I believe this is a 17th century Bible box but I'd like to know what all of you think. It's 18 1/2" wide 10" deep and 9" tall. It also has loop hinges. Thanks!
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  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I love that box ! Im not sure a bible box would have a till ,wich is what that looks like on the right. Where did you get the date from? The seller ? Id also expect to see wood worm activity if it was 400 years old. I also get an India vibe,but this is all just conjecture. Its old,and its very cool,that I can say for sure !
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  3. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    Thanks. There is wood worm activity on the bottom. Bible boxes also doubled as document or valuables boxes. It has loop hinges which were used until about 1650 and dovetails came into use around the same time so that's where I get the date from. If you google 17th century English Bible Box you see several that are similar. I guess I would like to narrow down the date a little more and if possible see what part of England it's from. Thanks!
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  4. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Looks more like a candle box to me. A bible box would have ecclesiastical imagery.
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  5. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    That may be there was some wax on the bottom. What's your opinion on a date?
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  6. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    None of the 17th century Bible boxes I've seen had any Ecclesiastical imagery
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  7. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

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  8. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    Yes it does, thanks!
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  9. Northern Lights Lodge

    Northern Lights Lodge Well-Known Member

  10. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    Thanks! So many of these that are heavily carved have the date carved too sadly not this one.
  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous box, chris. The motifs look Dutch Frisian to me. In fact if I were to see this box here in the Netherlands I would think it was Frisian.
    Of course Frisian boxes can end up anywhere, just like most things.

    Btw, according to some sources the term "bible box" is a 19th century one.

    This is a Frisian box that was sold a few years ago:


    And this is a small Frisian tea caddy or valuables box I have just put a bid on:

    Screenshot 2023-10-28 at 13-Fries Theekistje .jpg

    I am not too happy about the warped lid, but I love the carving and dark staining.
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  12. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

  13. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Beautiful box!
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  14. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The box is chip carved and was used in Europe and Scandinavia for centuries.
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  15. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    Even though I'm a box collector this isn't my field because early crude boxes are too easily faked, that being said I believe this box to be right in age but as to English? Of course exceptions to the rule but normally English boxes of this date have the lid hanging over the edge of the box and strap hinges, loop hinges, maybe mainland Europe? Spain? As I said, this type/age of box isn't my field so could well be wrong.
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Bid was accepted and it is already on its way to me.:woot::happy:
    I am part Frisian, and if antique Frisian items are nicely made and the right price, I can usually make some room for them.;)
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  17. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    That chip carving isn’t terribly British, either.
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I have never seen chip carving on British boxes etc. Maybe a detail, but not all over. I see that a lot on Dutch ones, not just Frisian, but Friesland is best known for it.

    You also see chip carving in Croatia etc, but their chip carving is different from Dutch chip carving.
    And a far as I know, Norwegian chip carving is only done on small household items like cups and ladles.
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  19. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I’ve seen tiny bits of it, agreed, but usually on relatively modern things. And yes, I’ve seen lots of those Norwegian wood ladle things and Russian ones.
  20. chris klausen

    chris klausen Active Member

    Here's something I didn't think of. It clearly has snipe hinges, it's in New York maybe it's American? I think that's the only place you find snipe hinges according to what I've read.
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