18th Century French Miniature Portraits

Discussion in 'Art' started by Jeff Talbot, Sep 9, 2020.

  1. Jeff Talbot

    Jeff Talbot New Member

    Two miniatures believed to be mid to late 18th Century. The handwriting on the back has written Marquise of Mailly and the Dutches of Crillon in French which I assume are the subjects.
    I have very little knowledge about miniatures so any information would be appreciated!

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  2. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The backings of those from old grammar/language books is a red flag. Commonly seen on modern decorative items. The handwriting appears to be in fountain pen though which indicates a 1950ish or earlier date. I suspect the portraits are copies which should be easy to confirm when an internet search.

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  3. Debora

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  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I should add that the clothing of the Marquise of Mailly is early 19th century. The other is 18th century.

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  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    These miniature portraits with book pages on the back first appeared in bone and ivory frames in the late 1800s.
    I think yours probably date to the 1920s/30s.

    I'm not good at finding old threads. There have been several about these miniature pictures.
  7. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I see that @moreotherstuff is back.:):):):):)
    He may be able to give some input.
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  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Nice of you to say, but I have nothing to add beyond what has already been said.
  9. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The hands are old. I would agree with those dates.

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  10. Jeff Talbot

    Jeff Talbot New Member

    Thanks for the responses everyone. Can anyone tell if these were hand painted or some type of print overlaid with paint? And can anyone tell based on the pictures whether the material it is on is ivory? IMG_20200912_120103 (1).jpg IMG_20200912_120007 (1).jpg
  11. rink28

    rink28 Well-Known Member

    Looking up close they lokk like regular 1930s prints.
  12. Jeff Talbot

    Jeff Talbot New Member

    For everyone's information, on closer inspection it looks to be mostly hand painted, and most likely on an early plastic like celluloid not ivory as a lot of sellers purport.

    These are pretty deceptive pieces as they are decent enough quality, not to mention old enough to give off the impression of being from an earlier period. Having a 200+ year old piece of laid paper glued to the back doesn't help either. I've come across a few 'professional' dealers selling them as originals from the period: https://www.proantic.com/en/display.php?mode=obj&id=516098
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  13. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    They were painted on both ivory and celluloid.
    Lots of famous paintings of notable people were copied.
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