Featured 7”Jade is it “Censor” or “Censer”

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  1. mmarco102

    mmarco102 MKleais

    Good afternoon world, I picked up several items from a pre-sale estate sale. I don’t know a lot about Jade and I hear so many war stories about it, I would appreciate any input from the group. It was a very reputable home that had 98% ancient artifacts and the rest being antiques. He stated this is gemstone quality translucent jade. Qing Dynasty Celadon Censor/Censer?(I see it written both ways online) with food dog(EDIT/note to self:re-read all dictated post for “food” errors in the future). 19 century.
    It is approximately 7” x 7” (most crap I see online are in the 4” area, thats not to say all).

    As alway, I respect all opinions.


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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Censer is correct for an item like this. If you spell it the other way, we'll have to censor you!

    Edit: Would be correct if that were what this is, but looks like a lidded jar. I don't see anywhere for smoke to escape?
     
  3. mmarco102

    mmarco102 MKleais

    YIKES, sounds horrible! Will I like it? :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

    My thought exactly, but when I imputed “Jade Censer” these are what I was gettinng most of... *confused*:confused:

    Why the similarity?
     
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  4. mmarco102

    mmarco102 MKleais

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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    It could be nephrite or jadeite ....
    ( since you like the edit button.....go back and deal with " Food Dog " ...) :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  6. mmarco102

    mmarco102 MKleais

    Lmao, dag-nab that dictation text. :eek: Not to be confused with “Dog food”.

    Since you so eloquently brought it to my attention, I am just going to have to leave it for all the others to get a laugh too..:D
     
  7. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The piece would need to be examined by a professional to determine what material it is.One possible type is bowenite, a variety of serpentine (new jade; Suzhou jade).
     
  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I object to your imputation. :happy:
     
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  9. mmarco102

    mmarco102 MKleais

    Objection over ruled, “I did a bad, bad thing”
    -Chris Isaak

    The ornamental censer came from a pre-sale from this estate(look for it). With a statement of provenance. I am having it looked at tomorrow if all goes well.
    https://www.estatesales.net/FL/West-Palm-Beach/33411/2039673

    As stated in my OP, I don’t know much about jade and just looking for other thoughts. Possibly have a buyer but don’t know what I’m talking about. Ignorance is bliss. :)
     
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  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I agree completely with Holly. There really is no way for us to say anything with certainty from photos other than caveat emptor: China makes a profusion of excellent fakes & there are a number of stones that can look like this.
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Good morning, mmarco. Gorgeous censer, but it looks very much like bowenite, as Holly thought, not jade. And 20th century, slightly too glossy to be Qing.
    I don't know if you've noticed, but the upper edge of the rim of the lid, and the little roundel the lion is on, look a bit wobbly, not nice straight lines. Qing dynasty censers of this type have more perfection in the detail. Even if they are not highly detailed (intentionally), everything looks perfect.

    Although most of these censers are made as objets d'art, often gifts, they can be used. The lid is taken off to burn incense, and put back on when not in use.
    The one in the link is a collector's piece, nephrite jade, pretty close to mutton fat jade, beautiful bat handles. It has 'I want' written all over it. Or maybe 'for AJ'.:happy:

    I think that statement hadn't been censored.:D
    (I'll go and hide now.:bag:)
     
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  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I don't know. You might be incensed!
     
  13. mmarco102

    mmarco102 MKleais

    You can run, but you can’t hide. I will hunt you down and when I find you, I will always appreciate your views and opinions. (((Hugs))).

    Now did that sound incensed to you? No way ;) (((Hugs2)))
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    No, but it's a post-truth world.
     
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  15. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Hi mmarco

    Great sense of humor! Always appreciated.:)

    I looked at the pictures of the estate sale. I am not an expert in this area, but to me it looks like a very expensive home where people bought newer items meant to look old and used for decorating. Some of the items might actually be original, but I question quite a few.

    It appears they enjoyed lapidary stores, and bought quite a few specimens.

    I would be careful.
    Only my opinion.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Most of what I saw was not antique, mostly nice replicas and artifacts from around the world.
     
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