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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Dawnno, post: 593191, member: 10171&quot;]I can definitely see the multiple similarities.</p><p><a href="http://www.nationalcostumedolls.com/kenya-turkana-tribe-ngide-dolls/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationalcostumedolls.com/kenya-turkana-tribe-ngide-dolls/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalcostumedolls.com/kenya-turkana-tribe-ngide-dolls/</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]176832[/ATTACH]&quot;[ATTACH=full]176837[/ATTACH]</p><p>Ngide&#039; or &#039;Child&#039; dolls made by the Turkana people in Kenya. This type of doll is carved by the father for a maturing daughter, the Turkana believe that if the girl treats the doll as a real baby she will succesfully bear a child.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>I like the way this one was described:</p><p><a href="https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-african-turkana-ngide-kenya-1905187969" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-african-turkana-ngide-kenya-1905187969" rel="nofollow">https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-african-turkana-ngide-kenya-1905187969</a></p><p>&quot;Most of these dolls come out of Kenya but others may also make them. This one is vintage. It is very difficult to date it accurately. ... The hair is twisted hemp which makes it a doll made for the tourist trade. ...&nbsp; To be a true tribal artifact it would have been made for a child by its parents and the hair would be cut from the the head of the child&#039;s mother and used for the doll. Aside from the hair and the wood used (usually a hardwood so it withstands wear) this doll was handmade using the same techniques the tribal maker would have used to make an identical one for their daughter. It no doubt is from Kenya and was probably bought in a remote village in Kenya. It simply is too crude to be a commercially made doll. </p><p>...Often mistaken as a fertility doll, this Ngide (child) doll may be an ikideet doll. Ikideet dolls are often carved by fathers and then decorated by the mothers using the daughter&#039;s own beads and skirt. They are then gifted to their daughters.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>As I was looking further, I came across this as well, which matches other multiple features:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]176838[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://issuu.com/danielpiperno/docs/liste_dolls" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://issuu.com/danielpiperno/docs/liste_dolls" rel="nofollow">https://issuu.com/danielpiperno/docs/liste_dolls</a></p><p>The use of the twine and beads over the upper body and the twine over the lower part is also compelling.&nbsp;&nbsp; Nyamwezi of Tanzania also use the bead eyes.</p><p>&quot;Nyamwezi carvers are famous for their figures, which are usually carved out from a heavy wood with a shiny surface. They tend to have elongated features with the eyes inset with circular white beads.&nbsp; Such elongated figures with distorted limbs were used in water divination ceremonies.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Shows just how difficult to know anything with reasonable certainty is. And to know what information to trust since it all bleeds over from one area to another.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks to all for the leads on this journey[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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