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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Any Jewelry, post: 11957345, member: 2844&quot;]Some truly beautiful Jatim beads, great find. They are recent imo, but certainly have value.</p><p>I have found that most recent Jatims have a rough feel, whereas the oldies are smooth and can even be shiny.</p><p><br /></p><p>A beautiful antique Jatim bird bead, you can see the shiny surface:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]550464[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&amp;cmd=iYz&amp;aK=64610&amp;iZz=64610&amp;gV=0&amp;kQz=&amp;aO=1&amp;iWz=0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&amp;cmd=iYz&amp;aK=64610&amp;iZz=64610&amp;gV=0&amp;kQz=&amp;aO=1&amp;iWz=0" rel="nofollow">http://beadcollector.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi?fvp=/openforum/&amp;cmd=iYz&amp;aK=64610&amp;iZz=64610&amp;gV=0&amp;kQz=&amp;aO=1&amp;iWz=0</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Jatim is short for &#039;Jawa Timur&#039;, which means East Java. The original Jatim beads were mostly made during the Majapahit period, 1293-ca 1500.</p><p>Majapahit was an East Javanese colonial empire which in its heyday stretched from Java to southern Vietnam and from south Thailand to West Papua. Its capital Trowulan was near the present day city of Malang. It was a thalassocracy, which means the seas were essential to the power of the empire, and most colonized lands bordered the sea or were islands. It traded with other Asian countries and with Pacific Islands. Evidence of Majapahit trade has also been found in East Africa, just like earlier Indonesian glass beads were found in at least one Egyptian archaeological site.</p><p><br /></p><p>The face bead is very attractive, but afaik Jatim face beads are not traditional.</p><p>Recently East Java has begun to follow the Eastern Mediterranean trend to copy antique Phoenician face beads. The only difference is that East Java is honest about the age, whereas makers from the Eastern Med intend to deceive. Of course unscrupulous sellers will sell them all as ancient or antique.</p><p><br /></p><p>Genuine Jatim beads date from our Medieval period, so long before the Victorian period. As far as the reproduction Jatim beads go, I have seen an 18th century glass keris handle with a millefiore detail, so it is possible that millefiore glass continued to be made in East Java on a very small scale. If so, the knowledge was still there.</p><p>Venetian makers on the other hand, had to learn from scratch. They tried to copy ancient Roman and Phoenician millefiore in the 19th century and after a lot of trial and error succeeded in making beautiful examples in the 1870s. So there is a considerable age gap.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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