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<p>[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 2805660, member: 111"]Just a few snippets, from various posters on the Russian forum:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>"The fineness is 88 zolotniki, in promille 916,67/1000."</i> -Qrt.S</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>"Discrepancies: suspicious marks on the `lip`` ,rather average quality and ``88`` standard." -AG2012</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>"The application seems to be riveted , which is typical for Russian objects. What bothers me now is indeed the fineness. Usually this fineness of 88 zolotniki was used more seldom and on high quality objects. As AG2012 also mentioned the case is of "average standard" and therefore a bit "suspicious" it being made in 88 zolotniki."</i> -Qrt.S</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>"Just an observation that the attached date appears to be a 25th anniversary commemoration: 1882 - 21/V - 1907. (That is, 21 May 1882 - 1907). Logic dictates, then, that it would have been made in 1907 and, if so, then the 1882/98 marks cannot be right; why make a commemorative case 9 to 25 years before the event occurs?</p><p><br /></p><p>I suppose the applied inscription could have been added later, perhaps replacing and earlier one, but I would think there would be some evidence of this on the case itself. Is there? Also, does the date 21 May 1882 have any significance to the provenance - a wedding date perhaps?</p><p><br /></p><p>I concur - something here is amiss." -blakstone</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>"Family history and its traditional narratives are always to be treated with caution! Especially when the facts give a completely different interpretation.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>1) A 102-year-old cigarette case looks different - even when packaged in a safe the entire time.</i></p><p><i>2) An Enamel cloisonné cigarette case by Kuzmichev looks totally different and has an outstanding quality. I have shown some examples of his work - the match is zero! I am sorry but I can give you no better answers."</i> -Goldstein</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>~Cheryl[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 2805660, member: 111"]Just a few snippets, from various posters on the Russian forum: [I]"The fineness is 88 zolotniki, in promille 916,67/1000."[/I] -Qrt.S "Discrepancies: suspicious marks on the `lip`` ,rather average quality and ``88`` standard." -AG2012 [I]"The application seems to be riveted , which is typical for Russian objects. What bothers me now is indeed the fineness. Usually this fineness of 88 zolotniki was used more seldom and on high quality objects. As AG2012 also mentioned the case is of "average standard" and therefore a bit "suspicious" it being made in 88 zolotniki."[/I] -Qrt.S "Just an observation that the attached date appears to be a 25th anniversary commemoration: 1882 - 21/V - 1907. (That is, 21 May 1882 - 1907). Logic dictates, then, that it would have been made in 1907 and, if so, then the 1882/98 marks cannot be right; why make a commemorative case 9 to 25 years before the event occurs? I suppose the applied inscription could have been added later, perhaps replacing and earlier one, but I would think there would be some evidence of this on the case itself. Is there? Also, does the date 21 May 1882 have any significance to the provenance - a wedding date perhaps? I concur - something here is amiss." -blakstone [I]"Family history and its traditional narratives are always to be treated with caution! Especially when the facts give a completely different interpretation. 1) A 102-year-old cigarette case looks different - even when packaged in a safe the entire time. 2) An Enamel cloisonné cigarette case by Kuzmichev looks totally different and has an outstanding quality. I have shown some examples of his work - the match is zero! I am sorry but I can give you no better answers."[/I] -Goldstein ~Cheryl[/QUOTE]
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