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Message:: [QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 30412, member: 44"]"Crowd sourcing" So that is what this is called, good definition! Maybe my reply helped nudge Bev, Bear & Wendy into joining the crowd/party! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie90" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie90" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie90" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Waving to you 3. A <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie90" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> wave to Bake and a big hello welcome <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie90" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> wave to quirkygirl! >That's a garter belt I think.<I thought so also. In my reply I mentioned hoping to ID that logo to a particular ship. At least a couple of shipping lines used a garter like Cunard and a Pacific something or other. I have had no more luck on that logo maritime-wise I did try Norseman on possible RR. No luck there either. In my reply I did mention a possible Norseman rail line in Australia, but now believe that connection was a rail line running between a town called Norseman and somewhere else. I believe at the moment there is a Norseman rail line in England, but think it only dates no earlier than the 20th century. Tried hotels. There are or have been several Norseman motels like one now in Maine. There is a Norseman Inn in Scotland. I think at Wick or near Wick, whatever that is. I don't believe it is old enough. I did find a clipper ship built in the 1850s called Norseman. It was built by the Cunningham Bros. of California. It seems it was involved in the China trade. It disappeared from ship registry in the 1890s presumably sold to someplace in Asia. I read somewhere, for the life of me can't find it now, it was leased to Britain for a short period for transporting troops, goods or whatever to the Crimean War?? If it was built in the USA, I doubt it would have a garter for it's logo??? <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=k3lkAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=norseman&source=bl&ots=paGRIdcXbU&sig=PZKYdidc5G4IqTEDDz_xDUJtMCA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0qSEVPePBo3asATbqICICg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%20norseman&f=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://books.google.com/books?id=k3lkAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=norseman&source=bl&ots=paGRIdcXbU&sig=PZKYdidc5G4IqTEDDz_xDUJtMCA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0qSEVPePBo3asATbqICICg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%20norseman&f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=k3lkAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=norseman&source=bl&ots=paGRIdcXbU&sig=PZKYdidc5G4IqTEDDz_xDUJtMCA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0qSEVPePBo3asATbqICICg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q= norseman&f=false</a> Finallyyyy I found the reference to the Crimean War and this clipper ship.The reference about the Crimean War and the Norseman is on page 289 of the book The Clipper Ship Era, Chapter XIX. "CHAPTER XIX"LAST YEARS OF THE AMERICAN CLIPPER SHIP ERA —SUMMARY OP CALIFORNIA PASSAGES "DURING the Crimean War a large number ofmerchant ships, many of which were Ameri-can, were chartered by the British and FrenchGovernments to carry troops, but when peace wasdeclared in 1856 and this demand for tonnage ceased,it was found that there were more ships afloat thancould find profitable employment, or indeed em-ployment of any kind. "Only eight ships were added to the Californiafleet in 1856 — the Alarm, Euterpe, Flying Mist, Flor-ence, Intrepid, Mary L. Sutton, Norseman, and thesecond Witch of the Wave. These were all hand-some medium clippers, and possessed what is sosadly lacking in sailing ships of the present day— style, distinction. The Florence was built bySamuel Hall, Jr., who had succeeded his father asa ship-builder and continued in the same yard atEast Boston. She was owned by Captain R. B.Forbes and others of Boston. Captain Dumaresqcommanded her and also owned an interest in heruntil his death in 1860. As Captain Forbes usedto say, 'He was the prince of sea captains.'" The above is on page 289 of the actual book, but page 364 of the online file book. Move the slider, whatever it is called, at the bottom of the page to 364. It should open the book to page 288-289 with the above text. <a href="https://archive.org/stream/cu31924020891416#page/n363/mode/2up" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/stream/cu31924020891416#page/n363/mode/2up" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/stream/cu31924020891416#page/n363/mode/2up</a> Gee, on rereading the above, I now wonder if the Norseman was included in those leased by Britain and France because she was built in 1856 and the war ended in 1856. I doubt she was one of those leased. I should delete the above, but will keep it for any interest purposes. --- Susan [/QUOTE]

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