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  1. HottMess

    HottMess New Member

    20210604_115339.jpg IMG_14062021_192805_(800_x_1280_pixel).jpg IMG_14062021_192918_(800_x_1280_pixel).jpg I bought these at an antique auction years ago with a bunch of jewelry. Trying to figure out what they are and what age they are. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    The metal is very thin. Not sure if they're real gold as I haven't had them tested but I think they might be. The stones are rough
     
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  2. Pattywithay

    Pattywithay Well-Known Member

    Looks like a hair ornament.
     
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  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Or an ornament for headwear of some sort. A turban perhaps. Here's something similar from Cartier.

    Debora

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  4. HottMess

    HottMess New Member

    This is what i was thinking. Any idea where to go for more info? thank you! :)
     
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  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    You'll sure to get more information here. Just give forum members, many of whom are in different time zones, the opportunity to see your post.

    Debora
     
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    Debora Well-Known Member

  7. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    India??
     
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  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    That would be my first guess. The stones look "native cut", but that could mean something very old or something made in a country where they still cut them by hand.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Beautiful, @HottMess .
    It is an Indonesian hairpin, most likely Javanese. It looks like it is gold, but could be gilded silver. I have some Javanese hairpins that are gilded silver.
    The shape is a stylized orchid, one of the emblematic flowers of Java. The way the petals are decorated is very Indonesian, and seen a lot on gold and silver from Java and the Javanese (Majapahit culture) influenced islands.

    Here is my Djokja silver orchid brooch from Central Java for comparison (not nearly as nice as you pin):

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    I think it would be quite painful to wear it as a sarpech.:nurse:
     
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  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I KNEW you would know! And I apologize to all for the mis-direction. I knew Any Jewelry would be sleeping so I took a shot (and missed!)

    Debora
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    But missed in such a beautiful way, we all got to enjoy a stunning sarpech!:)
     
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  12. HottMess

    HottMess New Member

    Thank you so much for the info! I've been hanging on to these things for quite a few years since I couldn't find any info on them. This is very helpful :)
     
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  13. HottMess

    HottMess New Member

    Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply! I'm so glad I found this site as I have a few pieces I'm unsure about.

    You all rock!
     
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  14. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Member

    The flowers are lotus, the shape is a tjapung (dragonfly) :)
     
  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, the flower decoration on the lobes is of lotus buds and flowers, as is often the case in Javanese art. However, by shape I meant exactly that: the shape, so the outline of the piece. Not the decoration.
    If you read it again, I never mentioned the decoration. If I had, I could have avoided present confusion, so apologies for not mentioning the decoration. I can't promise to never forget again though, it is very difficult to mention every detail of an item.;)
    Yes, the shape is often called dragonfly/capung/tjapung or even scorpion, but older Indonesian people here call it anggrek, which is orchid. Call me an old-fashioned girl.:)

    Bob, I don't know if you've noticed, but having different interpretations of the same design is one of the difficulties of Indonesian art, especially that of Java and Madura.
    For instance, the representation of the sacred cockatoo on Madurese keris hilts is usually called bajing loncat, jumping squirrel.:facepalm:
     
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  16. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Member

    I had not noticed but I'll bear it in mind! I haven't yet succumbed to collecting keris or batik! I know they're extremely complex and have their own detailed histories which go back much further than silverware. The vocabulary of keris collecting is particularly daunting!
     
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  17. Firemandk

    Firemandk Well-Known Member

    Hmmm... Boris Karloff ! ( or not ...lol) Screenshot 2021-12-05 020410.jpg
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That is mostly the pamor (damascene pattern) terminology, a lot of which is fairly recent, in keris terms.
    But many collectors are focused on pamor, and forget that there has to be harmony in the totality of a keris. You have to take the specific powers of the wood for the sarong into account, the model of the sarong and of the hilt, etc.

    Batik also has its own language. I don't know much about it, but the little I do know means I am very careful about what to wear.;)
    Of course a lot of batik rules are not as strict as they used to be, but I wouldn't wear a pattern reserved for a Sultan, for instance.
     
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