Anyone know their knives? Not necessarily military but figured it was best spot for my dirk.

Discussion in 'Militaria' started by J Dagger, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    6D985F49-54AF-4315-875E-1003B901E809.jpeg FF98D9B0-9E37-4E98-83A1-3248B053D063.jpeg A17ABEBC-CB80-4290-8594-26BB08CEA1DD.jpeg Bought this dirk recently as part of a lot. Paid a lot, more for the other knife in the lot than this one but hoping there’s something here. No idea if there is? It was described as circa 1850. The other knife seems to have a Civil War connection. Would be cool if this one did too but no clue where it came from or if the age given is even near accurate. No marks on blade that I can find. Can anyone speak to it?
     
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    nah....no one here knows knives...;)
     
  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    how long...........?
    any marks on the ricasso, or the bolster, or the quillion...or the handle...???
     
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    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  5. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Blade is 8” and handle is 4.5” the Austrians did seem to make a lot dirks and the style is correct. I was guessing possibly English but that’s a pretty uneducated guess. The civil war mention was solely based on the other piece in the lot, and the attribution making it old enough to have been used in the war. For the record I’m not necessarily suggesting it’s related. Only that it’s lot partner appears to have been involved, assuming it’s authentic. After getting out a flashlight, loupe and then a q-tip I did find a possible mark on the quillion. I believe it’s a mark and not just pitting. Unfortunately it’s so worn I can’t make heads nor tails of it. Almost in the shape of a bust in a triangle but not sure if a bust would be found on a blade? Maybe a more thorough cleaning of the area tomorrow will help. Someone recommended a vinegar soak to me for knife blades. Not sure if that’s safe or smart for an antique knife. Because of the placement of the possible mark on the quillion and it’s proximity to the wood handle it probably wouldn’t be helpful anyway. Any good recommendation other than a damp cloth or q-tip? Also it may be my bleary eyes playing tricks on me but I may have just discovered some faint markings under the grime on the base of the blade. That’s where I first looked and saw nothing but mayyybe it’s there after all.
     
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  7. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering if the handle might be a replacement; it doesn't seem to match the blade style.
     
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  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    It's possible...& would make it even harder to pin down.
    I'm seeing what is commonly known as a WW1 trench knife....or boot knife...but like you say Steve, the handle is .....like...off !

    wood handles are known.....but usually more stout...

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    the germans liked the S guard...

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    but the long slender blade looks more British......

    So far this one escapes me.......:banghead::sorry:
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    I even thought of garter daggers.... but it's on the large size for those.... still??...that slender handle ..........
     
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  10. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking of an old-style German hunting knife, "hunting sword" or Jagdmesser, rather than what we'd consider a hunting knife today; typically would have a stag handle with butt-cap, thicker at the butt than near the guard; while the current wood handle is shaped like a more modern table-knife handle.
    Possibly around 1870 - but the original handle would be important in verifying that, sadly.

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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    The german blades widen substantially from the tip down.....
    I'm just not seeing a german blade here...;):wideyed::wideyed:
     
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  12. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    “is even near accurate. No marks on blade that I can find. Can anyone speak to it?”

    Oh, Mr. Knife, hello there!
     
  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  14. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    You know the handle doesn’t look much more slender to me than the 2nd and 4th from left in your photos. Maybe you’re on to something here...
     
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  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    the mark u found, doesn't tell me anything....and to have no other markings is strange for a knife of this type....
    still.....can u provide a pic of it sideways...front and back..?
    without the string....:playful:;)
     
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  16. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    could be a Wehrmacht boot knife - Stiefelmesser.
     
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  17. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    I’ll get around to that.irs been a busy few days. That mark I now think is just pitting After looking at it more. I cleaned the blade a tiny bit on base just enough to hopefully see something poke through and there’s nothing there that I see. Maybe it was a replaced handle and any makers marks were on the handle? I find it surprising too.
     
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  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    That blade should be marked....the fact that it isn't tells me it wasn't unless it was and now isn't but could have or might have.......
    If ya catch my drift....... which kinda drifted.! :playful::wacky::wacky::wacky:
     
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  19. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Blacksmith's/repurposed blade? The ricasso looks filed and "dented" the blade area next to the ricasso has deep area also.
     
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  20. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

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