Basket Help

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by Potteryplease, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

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    I think #1 with the lid is from Lombok.



    I think #2 is Tsimshian. I'd also love it if anyone could help estimate age.

    And #3 is of course labeled, but haven't found out much more about it, so if anyone has a comment on it, that'd too be great. 1D823F5F-FCC9-4FA6-9B14-DA92120F6952.jpeg 4AE518CD-3165-4ADB-AE43-EB34C6E6B332.jpeg
     
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  2. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    # 1 is from Lombok, Indonesia

    # 2 is Chehalis, or possibly Nootka/Makah from Washington's Olympic Peninsula or neighboring Vancouver Island, B.C..Washington. Several tribes made similar baskets from cedar and beargrass, which are almost impossible to accurately identify if the weaver isn't known.

    # 3 is African, a Kissi basket, from Kenya.
     
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  3. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I'm with Taupou on #1; on #2 I'd agree and would add that the bottom does not look like typical Makah to me, would think Nootka or Chehalis more likely.
     
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  4. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The Kisii (also known as Abagusii or Gusii) are an ethnic group in Kenya. In terms of art and crafts, they are well known for their contemporary carvings in a type of soapstone now known as kisii stone, found only in the Kisii area of south western Kenya.

    Here is a nice introduction to them, from the National Museum of Kenya:
    https://artsandculture.google.com/e...ational-museums-of-kenya/3wLCbo_fCDvzLQ?hl=en

    And a similar basket from the Museum - "This is a food basket made by a woman specialist from millet straw. It is used by both men and women for carrying and storing food,grains and flour."

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    https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/food-baskets/6QEfzuQYa9q0Ew
     
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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm leaning towards Chehalis.....1930 - 40's
     
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  6. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Sweet! I got that one in Vancouver Washington, so Chehalis would be right in the back yard there.

    Can I ask if the Lombok Island one seems old? I don't trust my sense of what's an old looking patina on that one.

    Thanks again!
     
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  7. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Thanks for context on the Kenyan basket! Not sure why all I could find was one image...

    I'm glad the tag is still on it-- makes it all much easier!
     
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  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    It's as nice a Lombok as they come......
    but I don't think it would be earlier than the 1980's..........imo
     
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  9. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    ...And is this a Chinese fake basket? Or is it Northwest, perhaps Aleut?

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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Chinese...but not fake...it's really pretty !!!
     
  11. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Yes; though often mistaken for NW Coast native baskets, the Chinese baskets (older ones sometimes called "Nixon-era" or "prisoner baskets") were not made as fake NW Coast items, or intended to be such; they were just baskets made for export that happened to be easily mistaken for something else. The same is true for the Lombok baskets; it is just a coincidence so far as I know that they are often mistaken for something else; but both are genuine examples of what they are, Chinese or Lombok baskets.
     
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